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jeff_wilson 05-06-2012 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by wellspring (Post 1367792)
Not just odd. It strikes me as very, very sad.
Depending on the leggings, the legs may still be displayed effectively.

RyanW 05-07-2012 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Sindri (Post 1366541)
The one change rule isn't adamant. There are examples with two necessary changes (especially if FTL is one of them.) for the desired setting that are still portrayed reasonably. The important thing is that unless the setting has wildly different physical laws adding changes at the drop of a hat is neither necessary nor desirable.
An important note: I believe the "one impossibility" suggestion was developed in the context of classic science fiction, where the focus was frequently on the implications of said impossibility. At least as far back as ST:TOS, science fiction has been more about traditional stories told in a science fictional milieu than about the engineering.

Sindri 05-07-2012 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by RyanW (Post 1367958)
An important note: I believe the "one impossibility" suggestion was developed in the context of classic science fiction, where the focus was frequently on the implications of said impossibility. At least as far back as ST:TOS, science fiction has been more about traditional stories told in a science fictional milieu than about the engineering.
More about? It might include more stories like that but what science fiction is about is not determined by what happens to be more numerous. Aside from that while stories actively informed by engineering are less common there is still a substantial amount of stories that are based on the consequences of technology. Even without any interest in realism impossibilities should not be added without reason because unnecessary elements should not be added in general.

The rule is applicable beyond it's historical basis.

Flyndaran 05-07-2012 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by roguebfl (Post 1367811)
Not that odd. Consider this the skirt/dress vs pants when looked at as feminine vs masculine. The look at from warm and mobility issue. Skirt + leggings gives back the mobility and warm while remaining a feminine outfit.
I think Scotsmen would like to have a word with you about the feminine aspect of "skirts" and "dresses".

Sword-dancer 05-07-2012 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by vierasmarius (Post 1365900)
Leading to visits from the literal "Fashion Police":
"Sir, our records indicate that you wore an unlicensed suit from the Spring 2203 Noir catalog. Please disable all Augmented Reality and Smart Matter devices and come with us."
or paying a flatrate to change your outfit to the fashions at whim?

roguebfl 05-07-2012 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyndaran (Post 1368016)
I think Scotsmen would like to have a word with you about the feminine aspect of "skirts" and "dresses".
they're not the culture that brought us skirts + leggings so their opinion on it is irrelevant.

Jovus 05-07-2012 02:47 PM
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After all, No True Scotsman would wear leggings with his kilt!

Bruno 05-07-2012 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny1A.2 (Post 1367582)
Remember the miniskirt-legging combo? That alway struck me, objectively, as rather odd (wear a dress designed to show off the legs, and cover the legs anyway.)
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Originally Posted by wellspring (Post 1367792)
Not just odd. It strikes me as very, very sad.
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Originally Posted by roguebfl (Post 1367811)
Not that odd. Consider this the skirt/dress vs pants when looked at as feminine vs masculine. The look at from warm and mobility issue. Skirt + leggings gives back the mobility and warm while remaining a feminine outfit.
80's child checking in here: It's a brilliant compromise position for teenagers looking to try to scandalize their parents without getting grounded.

The thick opaque tights or leggings with stirrups + Miniskirt combo is far more revealing than slacks or the contemporary baggy 80s rapper pants for boys. Like Hose in the Elizebethan area, they show off every curve of your legs.

However, they hide your complexion so any funny spots are concealed, shaving your legs becomes far less critical, and you're still able to argue with your parents that you're still wearing pants. It's also much warmer than miniskirt+nothing but panties (or nothing at all).

Of course, the 80's generation were children of 60s and 70s parents, who invented the miniskirt. In actual practice it seems a lot of moms remembered that, and thought the whole leggings thing to be somewhere between funny and adorable.

The baggy legwarmers on the other hand were just an attempt to balance out the incredibly baggy sweater/tunic with the tight waist belt struggling to define your middle in there somewhere. Same opaque tights, no miniskirt (the huge sweater/tunic serves as a short dress), and without either huge boots or the baggy legwarmers, your legs would look like ridiculous pipe cleaners holding up a melting egg.

It all made some sense. It was also all very stupid looking. :D

Flyndaran 05-07-2012 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Bruno (Post 1368143)
...

It all made some sense. It was also all very stupid looking. :D
All fashion is stupid looking to those not into the right scene.

For example, I hate men's suits. They are restrictive, even when tailored, horrifically hot, heavy, and expensive for no purpose.

Dammann 05-07-2012 05:46 PM
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Well there is a social purpose. Suits are meant to signal something (affluence, reliability, respect, professional standards, or whatever). I agree that they are not suitable for rockclimbing or working on cars, though. Even the expense is meaningful in certain contexts aside from any CF associated with actual quality.

Flyndaran 05-07-2012 06:14 PM
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If I can't drop everything and run when the zombie/alien/carnivorous sheep apocalypse hits, then it's simply bad fashion. ;)

High heels are just as stupid as pants around the ankles. But society views them very differently.

Dammann 05-07-2012 06:36 PM
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But what if the zombies have a powerful dread of lawyers? You'll be missing that suit then, won't you?

roguebfl 05-07-2012 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Dammann (Post 1368250)
But what if the zombies have a powerful dread of lawyers? You'll be missing that suit then, won't you?
Nah you just turn them by brandishing a Restraining Order wielded with true faith.

Flyndaran 05-07-2012 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Dammann (Post 1368250)
But what if the zombies have a powerful dread of lawyers? You'll be missing that suit then, won't you?
Braaaaaaaains?!
I have a summmmmmmmmons!

wellspring 05-07-2012 06:49 PM
Re: Clothing in Spaaaaaaace!
 
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Originally Posted by Bruno (Post 1368143)
The baggy legwarmers on the other hand were just an attempt to balance out the incredibly baggy sweater/tunic with the tight waist belt struggling to define your middle in there somewhere. Same opaque tights, no miniskirt (the huge sweater/tunic serves as a short dress), and without either huge boots or the baggy legwarmers, your legs would look like ridiculous pipe cleaners holding up a melting egg.

It all made some sense. It was also all very stupid looking. :D
As another 80's child, I'd say it was totally awesome!

I know, I know, I'm a grown man, I shouldn't use the word "awesome". Just to add to the legwarmers thing, it made the thighs look slender and left the calves to the imagination, much as boots do at the moment. They also were a reference to the pro-dancer thing that gave us movies/shows like Grease and Fame. Oh, and Flashdance.

Flyndaran 05-07-2012 06:53 PM
Re: Clothing in Spaaaaaaace!
 
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Originally Posted by roguebfl (Post 1368254)
Nah you just turn them by brandishing a Restraining Order wielded with true faith.
Now that really makes me want to create some very odd DF/general fantasy/etc. characters.
tI reminds me of the original "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes" movie.
Spoiler fnorded for those ignorant of classic cheese.
The sound or even the lyrics' sheet of the horrible fictional Puberty Love song kills the tomatoes.

Ed the Coastie 05-07-2012 08:12 PM
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If memory serves, casual wear for the "space elves" from my old GURPS Terradyne campaign was generally lederhosen and calf-length moccasins, with breast bands also being worn by females. In gravity, a kilt and cloak were added to the ensemble.

Bruno 05-08-2012 06:54 AM
Re: Clothing in Spaaaaaaace!
 
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Originally Posted by wellspring (Post 1368259)
As another 80's child, I'd say it was totally awesome!

I know, I know, I'm a grown man, I shouldn't use the word "awesome". Just to add to the legwarmers thing, it made the thighs look slender and left the calves to the imagination, much as boots do at the moment. They also were a reference to the pro-dancer thing that gave us movies/shows like Grease and Fame. Oh, and Flashdance.
And then there's the shoulderpads and teased/moused/hairsprayed to death/permed hair, often in mullets.

It's really no wonder cartoons and caricatures of the day started drawing women as triangles.


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