Discarding Cards
 

Q. The rules say that cards in play must be traded or discarded. When can I discard them?
A. This depends on the type of card. First, it must be in play in front of you (no discarding other people's cards, silly). Race and Class cards (including Half-Breed and Super Munchkin) can be discarded at any time, including to power a special ability, but not an ability for the discarded Race or Class (unless the ability requires discarding that particular Race or Class).

I would like to know if you can discard to power a special ability cards such as: Master, Dark, High, Poison, Air-Cooler, Reinforced, Cheat... , that is to say, these cards that are attached to another card, can I discard just the attachment to power an ability? And if I discard the Card that have an Attachment does it counts as 1 discarded card or 2 cards???

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I know High, Dark, and Master can be discarded independently. That's in the FAQ (in the Reloaded! section).

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Cheat cannot be detached from the card it is played on. If you discard both cards, it would be counted as two cards.

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Yeah, the Race and Class Enhancers are different to the Item-based Enhancers. Cheat! and the Item Enhancers you mention can't be separated from their attached items to discard them. In order to discard them, you need to discard the Item they are attached to as well.

You can only count this as multiple discards for powers that are worded to allow you to discard multiple cards at once. For example, if you had an Air-Cooled Horny Helmet as a Warrior, you can discard the pair to get a +2 in combat. Yet, if you were a Thief, you would only get one theft attempt by discarding the combo as the Theft text specifically says to discard one card then roll to steal.

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So I can discard Master, Dark and other Race/class enhancers to power up an ability, but i can't do that with item enhancers and the cheat card?

I still feel that u could discard them too... since a cheated item for instance, will not disappear, u just won't be able to use it anymore...
And if u see the REINFORCED card, they'r pillows attached into your armor... why can't you just take the pillows off?

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It's not covered in the rules nor in the current version of the FAQ, I believe, but MunchkinMan addresses it in my following quote and he has may similar posts saying the same thing.
One problem with that post is that he does define Class and Race Enhancers as permanently attached as well later in that thread, which is in direct conflict with the statement from the FAQ. Hopefully we'll get some confirmation on the matter soon.

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maybe it is just me but ifinstructed to discard one card to power an ability i would not allow the discarding of two cards. So an item with cheat on it would not be allowed. i haven't looked at the other thread you quoted so I may be entering into house rule territory

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I take it that you can discard the one item to power the ability, but the attachment goes with it meaning you can essentially choose whether it counts as one or two discards. Otherwise you'd run into problems with curses that say stuff like 'discard one Item of your choice'. If your only item is, say, a steed with a steed enhancer attached, you can't say 'It's protected because to discard it I'd need to discard two items'.

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If you're going to quote me, then point out an issue with further, unquoted, information in the post quoted, how about providing a link so that I can go back and look at it and see where the disconnect is coming from and when the post was written. It's more than a little unfair to hold me to a FAQ entry that might not have even been written yet, and it's never a good idea to quote out of context. I've seen enough people do that here and take something so out of context in order to prove that night is day. In this case, it seems, without the question, the answer might not mean what you think it means.

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yeah thats a good point. although now i remember that is why i specified powering an ability (IOW a voluntary discard) as opposed to curses/traps.

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Sorry mate, I certainly didn't mean to cause offence and I did think I had provided enough information to find the other post for reference. I thought the link that I did provide in the quote itself (the blue arrow) was enough to find the other one as it was only three posts later in the same thread, but here's that post too, including its link as well:
You said then that the class and race enhancers are permanently attached and in the other post that permanently attached cards are always discarded with cards they are attached to.

And for completeness, the FAQ question is:
Which heavily implies it's OK to discard an enhancer without discarding the card it is attached to.

And again, no offence meant and I don't blame you in any way for the discrepancy. I assume the FAQ was newer and hence overrides the older decision, but just wanted to point it out for an official clarification if anybody else followed my link in future and then also noticed that issue.

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There were no blue arrows to follow on my browser, but on a different computer, they're now here. Most odd. . .

2008 is a long time ago, and before discussions, changes, and other thoughts had come about. I'll need to look further into Item Enhancers, but I can see how Race/Class Enhancers are entirely different.

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I still dont get it... it seems to me that the answer is this:
- Race/Class Enhancers may be discarded for the purposes of an ability;
- Item/steed enhancers I should use common sense to what can be discarded;
- And cheat may never be discarded to power an ability...

Am I right?

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No. Here's the current rulings as I understand them, but note this may change once MunchkinMan has finished looking into things:

• Race/Class Enhancers may be discarded for the purposes of an ability. You do not have to discard the Race or Class they are attached to as well.
• Item/Steed/Hireling/Ship/etc. Enhancers remain permanently attached and you cannot discard them separately from the card they are attached to, but can discard them at the same time.
• Cheat! also remains permanently attached and you cannot discard it separately from the cheated Item, but can discard it at the same time.

And when you discard two items permanently attached to each other, it counts as two discards for cards that count the number of cards you are discarding. That is, if the ability says to discard one card then do something (e.g., Theft, Enthrall) then you don't do it twice, but if the card/ability says you can discard a given number of cards to power something (e.g., Turning, Berserking) then you count it as two cards.

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I get it know!
Now I just want to know if that's the official answer. ^^

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Sorry, but can you please tell the official rule on can a warrior discard a Cheat! (without discarding the item it is attached to) to get +1 in fight?

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For a Warrior if you are using an item with a Cheat card you cannot discard just the Cheat card. You need to discard the item and the Cheat card together to power your Berserk. It would count as 2 cards and you get +2 for the Berserk.

Something that has not been said is if you had a Cheat card in your hand and not yet in use, then I think you could discard just the Cheat card to power the ability.

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This is all correct. A Cheat! card in your hand hasn't been attached to anything or put into play, so the rules on the card aren't in effect.

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I am a bit confused by “+2 for the Berserk”. I expect to have +1 only.
If I discard a cheated item (to power an ability) Cheat! should be discarded automatically DUE TO the text on the Cheat! card. So how can I count a card that has been discarded by some other reason as a card discarded to power the berserk.

With the very same logic I could count a card discarded by a curse (done on me by an opponent) as +1 to my berserk. It is the same logic: I count a card that has been discarded by some other reason as a card discarded to power the berserk.

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It's two cards. That you have to discard them together doesn't mean they don't count as two cards.