Originally Posted by Kuroshima (Post 1328376)

There's a magical perk that gives you this for a given magical style. I say that, if not using magical styles, one perk per GURPS Magic college would be suitable.

Originally Posted by Blind Mapmaker (Post 1328830)

I didn't find the specific perk unless you mean Magical School Familiarity which has the ability to Ward or Counterspell all the style's spells as one of its benefits. I agree that a perk that gives you the ability to Ward or Counterspell a whole college is probably balanced against Magical School Familiarity. Consider it stolen.

Originally Posted by Blind Mapmaker (Post 1328830)

I didn't find the specific perk unless you mean Magical School Familiarity which has the ability to Ward or Counterspell all the style's spells as one of its benefits. I agree that a perk that gives you the ability to Ward or Counterspell a whole college is probably balanced against Magical School Familiarity. Consider it stolen.

Originally Posted by BaHalus (Post 1328835)

how many of such perk would be balanced? One or two? More than that would still be balanced?

Originally Posted by Kuroshima (Post 1328841)

That one, away from my PDFs ATM, so I didn't remember the name

You get one magical perk per 20 points in spells. As long as you follow this guideline, I would have no issue with you slowly taking all possible colleges with this.

Originally Posted by Witchking (Post 1328844)

Plus another style perk per 10 points in the style...so belonging to a style (in worlds that have them) can be worth it just to get the second track for extra perks...even tho the style will likely have a limited range of perks that they teach...

(so if you are a mage with 40 pts in your style...you would get 4 style perk slots...plus 2 general perk slots)

Originally Posted by Kuroshima (Post 1328854)

Yeah, should a style offer "Expert countermagic" for any college as a style per, then yeah, it would be possible to get 6 of such perks with 40 points in spells. The again, if you're playing with styles, then you should just use styles and magical style familiarity. If not using them, then no style will give you this perk, as there are no styles.

Originally Posted by somecallmetim (Post 1328627)

I'm fairly certain you can't spend points on a skill you don't have the prerequisites for.

Originally Posted by ericbsmith (Post 1328795)

I'm positive of it:

Originally Posted by ericbsmith (Post 1328795)

However, there is a Perk in Power-Ups 2: Perks (p. 19) called Charms which allows you to bypass all prerequisite requirements (including Magery). This means spending 2 points, not 1, to gain access to the spell but using that Perk for the purposes of counter-magic seems perfectly legitimate to me (plus, it actually gives you the ability to cast the spell).

OTOH, the Perk to be able to countermagic a spell seems like a good idea. I think I'm with Kuroshima on this being an appropriate perk per college of spells.

Originally Posted by Ze'Manel Cunha (Post 1328948)

Heh, did that change?
(I'm a little far from my books and I always tailor magic to fit settings, not the other way around...)

Originally Posted by Ze'Manel Cunha (Post 1328948)

The only thing I'd add to this, is that the perk should fit the setting, so if it's Colleges, Styles, or Aspects, it's more than fair to allow this type of perk as long as it's tailored by the GM to setting.

Originally Posted by ericbsmith (Post 1328959)

Not that I know of. That rule existed in Magic 2e almost exactly as written, except that the prerequisite spell needed to be at level 12 instead of one point (the level 12 requirement was switched out in GURPS 4e for one point).

Perhaps you're thinking of the rule that says that a non-Mage may learn spells that don't require Magery, but cannot cast them except in High Mana areas?