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Michael Thayne 02-19-2012 02:21 AM

Chi skills: what are they good for?
 
So... Throwing Art is wonderful if you like thrown weapons, and Power Blow can be pretty spiffy if you were going to buy a high Will score anyway. But the majority of the Chi skills don't seem all that appealing relative to simply buying an advantage to do the same thing. Oh, maybe the GM wants the only special abilities in his game to be Chi skills, but in, say, a Supers game where the advantages are totally allowed, what on Earth would make you take Flying Leap over Super Jump? Or invest the points to make the Blind Fighting/Zen Archery (or Marksmanship) combo work semi-reliably when you could just buy some form of Darkvision?

Walrus 02-19-2012 05:08 AM

Re: Chi skills: what are they good for?
 
They are cheap and this is their major advantage for munckinish approach. They are less reliable and costlier in game but they cost much less in points.

And, well, Supers scale is so Super so they rely mostly on advantages, chi skills aren't for them.

You can say the same e.g. about Imbuements - that IAs doesn't depend on FP, necessary item and it's quality, skill roll. But again, they are cheaper.

vicky_molokh 02-19-2012 06:17 AM

Re: Chi skills: what are they good for?
 
In many ways, cumulative effects are killer. Got ST100? Breaking Blow will turn that to 200-300 for the heroic moment (maybe throw in Extra Effort when appropriate). That sort of thing.

Gnome 02-19-2012 06:41 AM

Re: Chi skills: what are they good for?
 
I like Kiai: if you have a decent HT score, it's like having a 20-point Affliction for one point.
Mental Strength allows you to effectively have a higher Will for resisting mental attacks--in fantasy games, I find that this is most of the reason you want a high Will score anyway.
Parry Missile Weapons is nice if you're worried about arrows and don't want to carry a shield.
Autohypnosis is Will-based, but has a number of interesting uses.

Basically, these skills allow you to make a monk-type character who can achieve just about anything (think Caine from Kung Fu). With high attributes and a few points in chi skills, you can effectively turn invisible, see in the dark, break through any door, endure any hardship, withstand almost any attack, get past any obstacle...you get the idea. Yes you could do all this more reliably with powers, but it would cost way more CP. Caine might be a 400 point character; a superhero who can reliably pull off all of those tricks would likely cost 800 or more...

LemmingLord 02-19-2012 09:33 AM

Re: Chi skills: what are they good for?
 
Chi skills: what are they good for? Absolutely nothing. Say it again! Huh!

vicky_molokh 02-19-2012 09:53 AM

Re: Chi skills: what are they good for?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LemmingLord (Post 1325335)
Chi skills: what are they good for? Absolutely nothing. Say it again! Huh!

Reference?

trooper6 02-19-2012 11:31 AM

Re: Chi skills: what are they good for?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vicky_molokh (Post 1325340)
Reference?

The song "War" by Edwin Starr 1970

Lyrics:
War! (Huh! Good God Y'all!)
What is it good for?
Absolutely Nothing!
Say it again! Huh!

Flyndaran 02-19-2012 01:41 PM

Re: Chi skills: what are they good for?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vicky_molokh (Post 1325340)
Reference?

When anyone anywhere asks, "What is it good for?", many of us punsters are magically compelled to yell, "Absolutely nothing! Say it again, huh."

It's a very powerful silly meme.

vicky_molokh 02-19-2012 01:44 PM

Re: Chi skills: what are they good for?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by trooper6 (Post 1325371)
The song "War" by Edwin Starr 1970

Lyrics:
War! (Huh! Good God Y'all!)
What is it good for?
Absolutely Nothing!
Say it again! Huh!

Ah, that explains it.

Randyman 02-19-2012 01:48 PM

Re: Chi skills: what are they good for?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyndaran (Post 1325415)
When anyone anywhere asks, "What is it good for?", many of us punsters are magically compelled to yell, "Absolutely nothing! Say it again, huh."

It's a very powerful silly song.

Both are correct, I suppose.


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