Stealing a Reloaded Die
 

Another arguement that kinda came up last night.

The Thief went to steal my reloaded die. I didnt think I could use the reloaded die to change the result (since that was the item she was stealing). But im not so sure.

Re: Stealing a Reloaded Die
 

To avoid similar issues, we've essentially "phased" the Thief's steal attempts. The Thief declares they're going to steal something, then roll the die, we pause to see if someone can/wants to change the roll of the die, and if not, the Thief takes what he wants, including a Reloaded Die.

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Ahh, I just didnt know if you were allowed to use an item the thief is attempting to steal, since they were trying to steal my reloaded die. In a similiar scenario, if a thief was trying to steal my wand of dowsing, would I be allowed to play it even after shes discarded her card?

Re: Stealing a Reloaded Die
 

I believe this comes down to the ruling of cards that can cancel others, of which there are very few. Reloaded Die can be triggered by the dice roll, cancelling that roll. Wand of Dowsing is not a card that can cancel any affect of the theft and thus you must resolve the theft attempt before you could use the item. Thus no, you wouldn't be able to use the wand once the theft has been announced.

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I wouldn't mind seeing an official ruling on this one. I can understand the argument put forward so far with reloaded die being one ofthe few cards that can interupt. However the rules also state that you can't get rid of a card to stop a thief from stealing it so if the target card has been named as the reloaded die I can also see a good argument for not allowing it to be used as it would be getting rid of the card to prevent thief from stealing it. if a third player had a reloaded die (don't know if thats possible) then they could use that. I personally wouldlean towards saying no.

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I agree with Clipper on this.The rules on the Reloaded Die are very clear. Any time someone else rolls a die, you can set it to be whatever you want. Since the Thief must roll a die to determine the success of the theft, it's fair game to use the Reloaded Die to make them fail and lose a level for it (assuming they aren't level 1).

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I disagree.

If the dice roll to steal the RD was effective, then the targeted player no longer has the Reloaded Dice to change the theft roll. If the thief was targeting something else, then the RD could be used to change that roll.

Re: Stealing a Reloaded Die
 

But it isn't being used to prevent it being stolen. It is being used to prevent the thief from succeeding in stealing the item and it also caused the thief to go down a level. Besides, it's not listed in the unbreakable rules section and the cards have precedence over the rules when there is a discrepancy.

Edit: Ignore that. I reread your post and realised you weren't arguing on the "can't be used to prevent it being stolen" rule like I originally thought. However, on your other point, the item isn't stolen until the roll is resolved and the use of the Reloaded Die is triggered after the die has landed on a number but before the roll effectively completes. Still, I guess an official ruling would be nice to settle the debate.

Edit 4: Ignore the rest of this post (edits 2&3), I was using old information.

Edit 2: Actually, perhaps ignore the whole thread. I just read somewhere that Reloaded Die doesn't have a listed item value (I don't have the card to check). Thus, I'm pretty sure it can't be carried as the FAQ states it must have a value listed to be considered an item. If it can't be carried, it can't be stolen.

Edit 3: And yeah, just saw confirmation threads. Reloaded Die is not an item, Loaded Die is. The Reloaded Die should thus never have been on the table in a position to be stolen.

Re: Stealing a Reloaded Die
 

Except, of course, a Reloaded Die IS an Item and every one in my database seems to have a value of 300 gold pieces. It helps to include links to the posts/threads you're referring to so we can point out how old they are, and perhaps allow us to point to where we note that Reloaded Die should be an Item and will be getting a G.P. value in the future (which has come to pass, though I can't find the post I want). In fact, any thread before May of 2010 should be confirmed before using it as the basis for one's argument, since some major rules/card changes occurred in that phase of reprints during 2010 and early 2011.

Re: Stealing a Reloaded Die
 

Unfortunately, the official answer is that I'm torn. I know I'd say that it can't be used to prevent the theft, since it's the target of the theft, but there's a part of me that believes that SJ would think it funny in just this one instance for the Reloaded Die to be used in this way. To the Brain Trust!

(I will note, however, that a Reloaded Die is not the final say on the die roll's outcome unless it's the last Reloaded Die played. A Reloaded Die can be trumped by a Loaded Die or another Reloaded Die, meaning that playing the card does not necessarily determine the final outcome of the roll, and what happens if someone else sympathizes with the Thief, or the Thief happens to have a Loaded Die? Do they get the now-used Reloaded Die, or does the card go into the discard pile and the Thief gets to not lose a Level and the knowledge of a job well half-done?)

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Sorry for bringing up the old information, I'll keep that in mind in future. Oh, and the thread you bumped wasn't the one I found the misinformation in, but several others, unfortunately.

On your new quandary, surely the thief can't steal a used item that is usable once only and then be able to use it again.

However, just to be Munchkinly, has it ever been ruled that the Thief has to announce the item that will be stolen before the theft attempt? The Thief card does not indicate that s/he needs to do this, so it would seem that you should be able to roll without a target item or choose your target item after the roll. Using this interpretation, if a Reloaded Die was chained by another Reloaded Die or Loaded Die to make the theft successful again, the thief would be able to pick any of the remaining small items owned by another player...

Re: Stealing a Reloaded Die
 

The Thief must pick first, and that is implicit in the wording of the Thief card. The Thief must discard a card in order to attempt to steal a small Item, therefore the discard must happen first and the Thief must pick the Item before rolling.

Re: Stealing a Reloaded Die
 

A Reloaded Die may be used to change an opponent's die roll, unless the reason given for the die roll precludes it. Therefore, the Reloaded Die could turn an opposing Thief's successful theft attempt (even of the Reloaded Die) into a failure, costing the Thief a level and costing you the Reloaded Die you have just expended.

But better than letting him have it, right?

Re: Stealing a Reloaded Die
 

So very very true.

Re: Stealing a Reloaded Die
 

Thanks for the ruling. I don't really like it personally so may have to go into house rule territory.