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Re: Converting NPCs from AD&D to GURPS

Strength Conversion
Based on comparing AD&D 2nd Ed Max Press to GURPS 4th Ed Heavy Encumbrance

Direct:
AD&D 2nd Ed___GURPS 4th Ed
Strength________ST
1______________1 [-90]
2______________2 [-80]
3______________3 [-70]
4-5_____________5 [-50]
6-7_____________7 [-30]
8-9_____________9 [-10]
10-11___________10 [0]
12-13___________11 [10]
14-15___________12 [20]
16______________13 [30]
17______________14 [40]
18______________15 [50]
18/01-50________15 or 16 [50 or 60]
18/51-75________16 [60]
18/76-90________17 [70]
18/91-99________18 [80]
18/00___________20 [100]
19______________23 [130]
20______________24 [140]
21______________26 [160]
22______________28 [180]
23______________31 [210]
24______________35 [250]
25______________38 [280]

Smoothed out at the lower levels:
AD&D 2nd Ed___GURPS 4th Ed
Strength________ST
1______________1 [-90]
2______________2 [-80]
3______________3 [-70]
4______________4 [-60]
5______________5 [-50]
6______________6 [-40]
7______________7 [-30]
8______________8 [-20]
9______________9 [-10]

Smoothed out exceptional Strength:
AD&D 2nd Ed___GURPS 4th Ed
Strength________ST
18/01-50________16 [60]
18/51-75________17 [70]
18/76-90________18 [80]
18/91-99________19 [90]
18/00___________20 [100]

Smoother but less accurate table:
AD&D 2nd Ed___GURPS 4th Ed
Strength________ST
1______________1 [-90]
2______________2 [-80]
3______________3 [-70]
4______________4 [-60]
5______________5 [-50]
6______________6 [-40]
7______________7 [-30]
8______________8 [-20]
9______________9 [-10]
10-11___________10 [0]
12-13___________11 [10]
14-15___________12 [20]
16______________13 [30]
17______________14 [40]
18______________15 [50]
18/01-50________16 [60]
18/51-75________17 [70]
18/76-90________18 [80]
18/91-99________19 [90]
18/00___________20 [100]
19______________23 [130]
20______________24 [140]
21______________26 [160]
22______________28 [180]
23______________31 [210]
24______________35 [250]
25______________38 [280]

Re: Converting NPCs from AD&D to GURPS

Other Attributes

AD&D 2nd Ed___GURPS 4th Ed
Attribute_______ Attribute
1______________-90 points in Attributes/Disadvantages
2______________-80 points in Attributes/Disadvantages
3______________-70 points in Attributes/Disadvantages
4______________-60 points in Attributes/Disadvantages
5______________-50 points in Attributes/Disadvantages
6______________-40 points in Attributes/Disadvantages
7______________-30 points in Attributes/Disadvantages
8______________-20 points in Attributes/Disadvantages
9______________-10 points in Attributes/Disadvantages
10______________No modifiers
11______________10 points in Attributes/Advantages
12______________20 points in Attributes/Advantages
13______________30 points in Attributes/Advantages
14______________40 points in Attributes/Advantages
15______________50 points in Attributes/Advantages
16______________60 points in Attributes/Advantages
17______________80 points in Attributes/Advantages
18______________100 points in Attributes/Advantages
19______________120 points in Attributes/Advantages
20______________140 points in Attributes/Advantages
21______________160 points in Attributes/Advantages
22______________190 points in Attributes/Advantages
23______________220 points in Attributes/Advantages
24______________250 points in Attributes/Advantages
25______________280 points in Attributes/Advantages

Notes:
All Attributes Start at 10
IQ! = IQ – (PER+WILL)

Dexterity
Advantages: Basic Speed [5/Level]; Enhanced Defences [Variable]; DX [20/Level]; Flexibility [5 or 15].

Dexterity 19: Cat Fall [10] and Perfect Balance [15] are available.

Disadvantages: Combat Paralysis [-15]; Klutz [-5 or -15]; Reduced Basic Speed [-5/Level]; Reduced DX [-20/Level].

Constitution
Advantages: Extra FP [3/Level]; Extra HP [2/Level]; Fit [5 or 15]; Hard to Kill [2/Level]; Hard to Subdue [2/Level]; High Pain Threshold [10]; HT [10/level]; Less Sleep [2/Level]; Longevity [2]; Rapid Healing [5 or 15]; Resistant [Variable]; Resistant to Eternal Rest +3 or +8 [1 or 3].

Constitution 18: Immunity to Eternal Rest [5] is available.
Constitution 19: Recovery [10] and Regeneration: Slow [10] are available.*
Constitution 20: Regeneration: Regular [25] is available.
Constitution 25: Regeneration: 1HP/10minutes [35]** is available.

*I added Regeneration: Slow to smooth the progression from no Regeneration to Regeneration: Regular
**GURPS Hellboy

Disadvantages: Easy to Kill [2/Level]; Low Pain Threshold [-10]; Reduced FP [-3/Level]; Reduced HP [-2/Level]; Reduced HT [-10/level]; Unfit [5 or 15].

Intelligence
Advantages: Eidetic Memory [5 or 10]; IQ! [10/Level]; Language Talent [10]; Languages [1-6] ; Lightning Calculator [2 or 5]; Non-Combat skills [Variable]; Versatile [5].

Intelligence 19: Immunity to Illusions [15] is available.

Disadvantages: Absent-Mindedness [-15]; Bestial [-10 or -15]; Confused [-10]; Hidebound [-5]; Reduced IQ! [-10/Level].

Wisdom
Advantages: Common Sense [10]; Empathy [15]; Fearlessness [2/level]; Indomitable [15]; Intuition [15]; Perception [5/level]; Unfazable [15]; Will [5/level].
Disadvantage: Cowardice [-10*]; Fearfulness [-2/level]; Gullibility [10*]; Impulsiveness [-10*]; Overconfidence [-10*]; Reduced Perception [-5/level]; Reduced Will [-5/level].

Charisma
Advantages: Appearance [Variable]; Charisma [5/level]; Fashon Sense [5]; Smooth Operator [15/level]; Voice [10].
Disadvantages: Appearance [Variable]; Clueless [-10]; Disturbing Voice [-10]; No Sense of Humor [-10]; Odious Personal Habit [Variable].

Re: Converting NPCs from AD&D to GURPS

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Originally Posted by Gorkamorka (Post 1285102)

I'm currently playing with converting ADnD Dark Sun into GURPS 4th.

Did you already take a look at that project? Could be helpful, though it's 3e... www.skripczynski.de/projects/dark-sun/
And even more so, this thread for 4e: http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?t=77123

Re: Converting NPCs from AD&D to GURPS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaps (Post 1285112)

A lot depends on how you plan on setting up your world and what points scale you want to use.

Yes. This is one reason why concepts translate better than stats. Also, you need to ask why you want game stats at all. In most games, it means the players are going to kill the NPC, or at least be in some sort of combat with him, whether as friend or foe.

Attributes relative to the PCs is another way of handling it. In a DF game – the presumed output for D&D characters – the templates average about 12 for the basic attributes, a bit more for DX. Since the templates represent adventurers with a few levels already, your mooks should be lower.

Re: Converting NPCs from AD&D to GURPS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rasputin (Post 1285213)

Also, you need to ask why you want game stats at all...

I want to be able to stat out a number of important NPCs to assess how valuable a patron they can be. Also as stated above, I tend to do more work than necessary. However, no one wants to GM a scene where Prince Avan is there to do important social stuff with a few brief notes, when it turns out the party wants to murder him for his blood (perhaps because of the important social stuff).

Re: Converting NPCs from AD&D to GURPS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rasputin (Post 1285213)

Well, it matters a lot for social interaction by the rules what the NPC's IQ and Will is. Per can matter in a lot of cases where there's no combat, either. And skill levels can come up during all sorts of interaction.

Re: Converting NPCs from AD&D to GURPS

A work in progress:

Code:

Armor table

Cheap leather armor: DR 1, $204, 19.5 lbs.; Feet have DR 1*; Neck has nothing

Cheap mail: DR 3/1* vs. cr, $345, 56 lbs.; Hands and Feet have DR 1*; Face has nothing

Cheap scale armor: DR 3, $684, 79 lbs.; Hands and Feet have DR 1*; Neck has nothing

Cheap plate: DR 5, $2,334, 89 lbs.; Hands and Feet have DR 3; Neck has nothing



Class                ST        DX        IQ        HT        HP        Will        Per        FP        Speed        Move        Damage                Class        Weapon        Stat        Other

Barbarian        14        12        9        12        16        11        9        12        6.00        7        1d/2d                +1/4        +1/4        ST +1/2

Bard                11        12        12        11        10        12        12        11        6.00        6        1d-1/1d+1        +1/4        +1/6        IQ +1/4        ER +1/3

Cleric                12        12        12        12        12        14        12        12        6.00        6        1d-1/1d+2        +1/4        +1/6        IQ +1/4        ER +1/3

Druid                12        12        12        12        12        12        12        12        6.00        6        1d-1/1d+2        +1/4        +1/6        IQ +1/4        ER +1/3

Fighter                14        12        10        12        14        10        10        12        6.00        6        1d/2d                +1/4        +1/4        DX +1/4        +2 weapon

Monk                11        14        10        12        11        12        12        12        7.00        7        1d-1/1d+1        +1/4        +1/6        DX +1/4        

Paladin                12        12        10        12        12        12        10        12        6.00        6        1d-1/1d+2        +1/4        +1/4        DX +1/4        

Ranger                12        12        10        12        12        10        12        12        6.00        7        1d-1/1d+2        +1/4        +1/4        DX +1/4        

Rogue                11        14        12        12        11        12        14        12        6.50        6        1d-1/1d+1        +1/4        +1/6        DX +1/4        

Sorcerer        10        12        14        12        10        14        12        14        6.00        6        1d-2/1d                +1/4        +1/8        IQ +1/4        ER +1/3

Wizard                10        12        14        12        10        14        12        14        6.00        6        1d-2/1d                +1/4        +1/8        IQ +1/4        ER +1/3

Adept                9        10        11        10        9        11        11        10        5.00        5        1d-2/1d-1        +1/4        +1/8        IQ +1/4        ER +1/3

Aristocrat        10        10        10        10        10        10        10        10        5.00        5        1d-2/1d                +1/4        +1/6        IQ +1/4        

Commoner        10        10        10        10        10        10        10        10        5.00        5        1d-2/1d                +1/4        +1/8        IQ +1/4        

Expert                9        10        11        10        9        11        11        10        5.00        5        1d-2/1d-1        +1/4        +1/8        IQ +1/4        

Warrior                11        11        9        11        11        9        9        11        5.50        5        1d-1/1d+1        +1/4        +1/4        DX +1/4        



Use the Wizard stats for a Illusionist or any other kind of specialist wizard, or a Warlock.

Use the Rogue stats for an Assassin or a Thief-Acrobat.

Use the Fighter stats for a Cavalier.

Use the Druid stats for an AD&D 1e Bard.

Beats me about a Marshall/Warlord. He's a Fighter with some Bard-like abilities.



Class                Bang!                Traits

Barbarian        Barbarian!        High Pain Threshold; Gigantism; Social Stigma (Minority Group)

Bard                Bard!                Bardic Talent 1†; Charisma 1; Voice; Terror (Bard-Song)

Cleric                Cleric!                Clerical Investment; Power Investiture 1†; True Faith (Turning); Honesty (12)

Druid                Druid!                Power Investiture 1 (Druidic)†; Sense of Duty (Wild Nature)

Fighter                Knight!*        Combat Reflexes; High Pain Threshold

Monk                Martial Artist!        Catfall (Chi); Chi Talent 1†, Enhanced Move 0.5 (Chi); Trained by a Master; Disciplines of Faith (Chi Rituals)

Paladin                Holy Warrior!        Higher Purpose (Slay Demons); Holiness 1†; Shtick (Foes slain personally cannot rise as undead); True Faith (Turning); Honesty (12)

Ranger                Scout!                Heroic Archer

Rogue                Thief!                Perfect Balance; Greed (12)

Sorcerer        Wizard!                Magery 1†

Wizard                Wizard!                Magery 1†

Adept                Shaman!                Autotrance; Channeling; Medium; Power Investiture 1 (Shamanic)†; Spirit Empathy

Aristocrat        Knight!                Status 2; Wealth (Wealthy)

Commoner        *                none

Expert                *                none

Warrior                Knight!                none



† This trait adds one level at each level divisible by 4.

Barbarians have Great Rage 1 at 1st level and Great Rage 2 at 11th level.

Druids have their Wild Shapes as Alternate Forms.

Fighters may use either the Knight! or Swashbuckler! skill. Fighter/Swashbucklers have the traits Combat Reflexes; Enhanced Parry 1 (Weapon of choice); Luck; Weapon Master (Weapon of choice). Cavaliers are always Fighter/Knights.

Assassins use the Assassin! skill, which is all Primary and Secondary skills on the Assassin template. They all have Combat Reflexes, Striking ST 2, Bloodlust (12) and Callous.

Commoners typically only know the Area Knowledge, Farming and Housekeeping skills, and not necessarily all of those.

Experts know whatever non-weapon skills they need to know.

Spell casters can cast whatever spell as needed at IQ+Magery-2, with another -1 for VH spells.

Druids and Rangers have Animal Companions as Allies. Wizards and Sorcerers have Familiars. Paladins have special mounts as Allies. Don't worry about the other effects unless needed.



Assassin! (DX): Brawling, Fast Draw (Knife), Forced Entry, Garrote, Knife, Stealth, and Wrestling; use IQ for Gesture, Holdout, Poisons, Shadowing, Smuggling, Streetwise, and Traps; use Per for Search and Urban Survival.

Shaman! (IQ): First Aid, Hidden Lore (Spirits), Naturalist, Pharmacy (Herbal), and Weather Sense; use Will for Exorcism and Meditation; use Per for Survival (any); use DX for Stealth.

I'll explain my notes, which I mostly copied and pasted from the Notes app.

The "Class" column represents going up in the bang skill for that class; all go up 1 relative skill level every 4 levels. "Weapon" represents going up in skill for weapons not on the bang skill; "Stat" means whatever stat gets boosted. "Other" means anything else that might go up with level; "ER" is an Energy Reserve. The second table is mostly a listing of traits that a generic member of that class would have, which is mostly Advantages and Disadvantages that always show up on the template, with some common abilities for those templates dependent on Powers.

The armor table at top is a list of cheap armor that would be common to NPCs.

Re: Converting NPCs from AD&D to GURPS

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Originally Posted by Valadrim (Post 1285224)

I want to be able to stat out a number of important NPCs to assess how valuable a patron they can be.

That's a definite case where going with concept is better than game stats, since Patrons seldom see combat.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icelander (Post 1285235)

The stats are all 10 unless you know otherwise. The skill level should use the GURPS guidelines: 5 or so for default, 8-9 for background skills, 10-11 for secondary skills, 12-13 for professional level, and 14-16 for a good professional; ramp up accordingly for good stats. You could use ranks in a skill as points in a skill for a really important NPC.

Re: Converting NPCs from AD&D to GURPS

Here is my first NPC. I decided to mostly build him from concept, but I took a few of NineDaysDead's ideas for tweaking scores to my liking.

I started with a 9th level fighter trained in a Brecht (read German/Hanseatic/Venetian) fencing school. He is a ruthless political mastermind, acts as head of his own police force as well as those of many of his neighbors, rules the richest and most powerful state in Anuire, and possesses perhaps the most legitimate claim on the title of Emperor.

I started with a Swashbuckler Template, added in a Swashbuckler-Knight Mixed Profession Lens, improved his IQ to match his AD&D stats (via NineDaysDead's suggestions), gave him every Social Advantage that seemed proper, before finally adding a handful of skills that seem important to a Prince who must administer a state.

I have not attempted to show any of his mortal allies, contacts, or dependents, nor have I included a representation of his bloodline score or strength (mystical empowerment from dead gods found in all rulers in this setting). However I have included his blood abilities (special powers gained via his bloodline).

Let me know what you think.

Darien Avan
750 points
Late 40s; Light skin, brown (greying) hair, brown eyes, purple birthmark in the shape of a dragon on left side of face;

Attributes: ST 12 [20], DX 15 [100], IQ 14 [80], HT 13 [30],

Secondary Characteristics: Dmg 1d/2d-1, BL 29, HP 12,

Will 12, Per 12, FP 13, Basic Speed 8, Basic Move 8,
Dodge 11, Parry 21 (Main-Gauche), 18 (otherwise).

Wears enchanted elven chain (DR 6).

Advantages: Ally (Air Elemental; Built on 100%; constantly available; PM, -10%; Summonable, +100%) [38]; Ambidexterity [5]; Animal Empathy (Lions only, -80%; PM -10%) [1];Born War Leader 2 [10]; Charisma 2 [10]; Combat Reflexes [15]; Enhanced Parry 3 (Main-Gauche) [15]; Extra Attack 1 [25]; Feudal Rank 6 (Prince of Avanil) [30]; Handsome [12]; High Pain Threshold [10]; Independent Income 20 [20]; Legal Enforcement Powers [15]; Legal Immunity [15]; Luck [15]; Multimillionaire 2 [100]; Police Rank 6 [30]; Regeneration (Regular; PM -10%) [23]; Reputation 2 (Future Emperor; Allies and Subjects, -50%; All the time) [5]; Social Regard 2 (Respected; PM -10%) [9]; Speak with Animals (Lions only, -80%, PM -10%) [5]; Status 6 [0]; Striking ST 1 [5]; Weapon Bond (Scalebiter) [1]; Weapon Bond (Heartseeker) [1]; Weapon Master (Rapier and Main-Gauche) [25].

Disadvantages: Delusion ("I am the best man since Emperor Roele") [-5]; Obsession (Become Emperor of Anuire) 9 or less [-15].

Skills: Acrobatics (H) DX [4]-15; Administration (A) IQ+1 [4]-15; Area Knowledge (Anuire) (E) IQ [1]-14; Area Knowledge (Avanil) (E) IQ [1]-14; Armoury (Melee Weapons (A) IQ [2]-14; Brawling (E) DX+1 [2]-16; Carousing (E) HT [1]-13; Climbing (A) DX-1 [1]-14; Connoisseur (Literature) (A) IQ-1 [1]-13; Current Affairs (Headline) (E) IQ [1]-14; Current Affairs (Regional, Avinil) (E) IQ [1]-14; Dancing (A) DX-1 [1]-14; Detect Lies (H) Per-1 [2]-11; Diplomacy (H) IQ+3 [8]-17*;Fast-Draw (Knife) (E) DX+1 [1]-16†;.Fast-Draw (Sword) (E) DX+1 [1]-16†; Fast-Talk (A) IQ [1]-15*; Finance (H) IQ-1 [2]-13; First Aid (E) IQ [1]; Games (Tournament Rules) (E) IQ [1]-14; Heraldry (A) IQ [2]-14; Hiking (A) HT-1 [1]-12; History (Anuirean) (H) IQ-2 [1]-12; Intimidation (A) Will-1 [1]-11; Jumping (E) DX [1]-15; Law (Anuirean (Avanese)) (A) IQ [2]-14; Leadership (A) IQ+4 [2]-18*‡; Main-Gauche (A) DX+4 [12]-19§; Military Science (H) IQ-2 [1]-12; Politics (A) IQ+1 [4]-15; Public Speaking (A) IQ+3 [4]-17‡; Rapier (A) DX+4 [12]-19§; Savoir-Faire (High Society) (E) IQ+1 [2]-15; Sex Appeal (A) HT+1 [1]-14*; Stealth (A) DX-1 [1]-14; Strategy (H) IQ+1 [2]-15‡; Tactics (H) IQ+1 [2]-15‡; Wrestling (A) DX [2]-15; Persuade (H) Will [4]-12; Riding (A) DX-1 [1]-14.

Languages: Anuriean-Native (default) [0]; Brecht-Accented [4].

Darien Avan, Prince of Avanil, runs not only his own kingdom, but significant portions of other provinces as well. Though he inherited much from his father, Veladan Avan, he has managed to amass an even greater portion of wealth and power than any had dreamed possible. It did help that partial stewardship of the City of Anuire itself passed to him with the death of his father. Nonetheless, Darien Avan capitalizes on any opportunity to expand his domain.

This middle-aged prince seems well versed in the uses and abuses of power. He strives for law and moderation in all things, but he, like the Archduke of Boeruine, appears willing to sacrifice his compatriots to gain the Iron Throne. He believes that his knowledge of power will serve him well, and that he could be the best thing to happen to Anuire since Roele himself. None dare to gainsay him.

* Includes +2 for Charisma
† Includes +1 for Combat Reflexes
‡ Includes +2 for Born War Leader
§ Includes +1 for Weapon Bond

Re: Converting NPCs from AD&D to GURPS

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Originally Posted by Valadrim (Post 1285388)

Here is my first NPC. I decided to mostly build him from concept, but I took a few of NineDaysDead's ideas for tweaking scores to my liking.

I think he works really well as a high fantasy character in GURPS. I would have put more points in some skills, but the high stats do more or less the same.

I don't think he can do everything a DnD character can do, but that's more about system then this characters writeup. Fore example in DnD he could easily charge 20 goblins with bows. In GURPS the same group would turn him into a pincushion (Well except for the air elemental, but not all fighters have one). Also a good mage with a high instakill spell will take him out.

But having said that I think you have gotten about as close as you can to a High power DnD character in GURPS.

SIDE QUESTION:
At what level does a DnD character conversion in GURPS get combat reflexes. What about Weapon Master? Is it different between classes?

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Originally Posted by OldSam (Post 1285207)

Yes I had, but thanks. Half the fun is in the doing.