[DF] Bow fencers with Swashbuckler lens
 

Greetings, buddies!

DF 11 introduces new power-ups. One of these bad ass power-ups is the Scout's "Bow Fencer".

Ok. So once a Scout has it, he can attack and parry with his bow just like it was a melee weapon, right? Ok, now what if he gets the Swashbuckler (or Knight) lens, that gives +8 points to spend in a melee skill? Can he spend these 8 poins to raise his Bow skill, since now that is his main melee skill? Or he can't, since after all, Bow is a ranged skill?

What about Enhanced Parry 3 (Bow)?

Re: [DF] Bow fencers with Swashbuckler lens
 

Id say no.
It's still a ranged weapon skill. His just lucky he may use it to hit in melee.

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Yes. It's a ranged weapon skill. But with Bow Fencer power-up (DF 11, p. 32), it's not just a ranged weapon skill, but also a melee skill capabble of melee attacks and full parries just like a sword.

I send this PM to Kromm...

...and He said:

"That seems fine to me, sure."

Enhanced Parry 3, Weapon Master (Bow) and acrobatic seems to be all about bow fencing.

Now, I have another question: A bow used as a melee weapon is used with one-handed or two-handed (or both)? Just in the case of two hands use, would it benefit the MA rule about two-handed weapon parries?

What do you think about this Bladed Bow? What stats in GURPS rules?

Re: [DF] Bow fencers with Swashbuckler lens
 

I wrote it up on my wiki :)

http://ottgaming.grimoire.ca/Borderl...nt#New_Weapons

There was a whole thread about it here.

Re: [DF] Bow fencers with Swashbuckler lens
 

The rules in The Deadly Spring for non-working portions of bows would handle this one pretty well, actually.

You'd build this as (say) a six-foot bow, with 2-3 feet of non-working limb in the middle. The bladed part would not deflect, and thus would not detract too much from efficiency, though balance might be wonky, and a -1 Acc and/or increased min ST just due to the extra weight of the blades might be in order.

The best way to use the weapon as a "real" melee device would likely be to CUT the bowstring, which would get the limbs of the bow out of the way, and turn it into something resembling a real bladed staff.

I cannot believe I'm typing this. Still, is all this really is is a take-down bow with projecting bits off of the riser.

Re: [DF] Bow fencers with Swashbuckler lens
 

Definitely. Swashbuckler and Scout are - in their combat capabilities - specialists in one weapon. You could make the argument that combining the two weapons in this manner is more appropriate than any other way.

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I didn't have The Deadly Spring at the time, but it's interesting that I generally eyeballed it at roughly the same results you did. I increased Bulk as well because I figure having weird projecty melee bits can't help the situation.

Of course, the picture I was working off had the blades at the ends of the bowstave - not off the middle - so the weapon I was modeling in my head was sort of "the worlds worst batleth" or "a spear that's sharp on both ends" rather than "a fencing weapon".

I gave a -1 to skill to use it as a staff/spear due to being really kind of wrong. But that can be bought off with a perk.

What can't be bought off is the further -1 for using it while strung. If the string is cut (on a parry against a bladed weapon, or deliberately) or if it's just plain unstrung, you get rid of the -1 :)

There's also a -1 to skill to use it as a bow, beyond the general ACC penalties. There's a perk to buy that off, too.

Sometimes it's fun to do something ridiculous. Same, sometimes it's fun to play a character doing something ridiculous, like fighting with a bladed bow like it's a batleth or a smallsword :)

I'll have to go pull out my spreadsheet and play with that idea now :)

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Just to remember, guys, this is a fantasy weapon.

Swing+1 cutting?

I don't know.The blades in the Bladed Blow doesn't look long enough for swing+1. The Bladed Bow in D&D does the same damage as a Shortsword (1d6), so I think Swing cutting damage is more apropriate.

Staff/Spear for those who doesn't has Scout's power-up, Bow Fencer, right?

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It's not about blade length so much as lever arm. I specifically based it on the Qian Kun Ri Yue Dao (the chinese weapon that the batleth is based on) as I mentioned above, because the picture I was shown had the blades on the ends of the bowstave, not off the middle. Damage is identical to the Qian Kun Ri Yue Dao.

http://www.kungfudirect.com/prodimag...Kung-Dao-b.jpg


As mentioned, this was written before Bow Fencer ever existed, and using a different reference picture.

EDIT: By the by, I HATE THE NEW GOOGLE SEARCH. I can't search for "Bow-sword" or "bowsword". It keeps matching "Bow, sword" and "Bow/sword" and I'm going to set their engineers on FIRE. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

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have you trie "Bow-sword" WITH the speech marks in google search?