Lances
 

I seem to remember that a rider using a lance could use the ST of his horse when figuring damage. Am I mistaken or was this taken out in 4e

Re: Lances
 

IIRC in 4th Edition the damage of a lance on horseback is based on either your ST or your velocity, not on the horse's ST.

Re: Lances
 

If you look up the Lance on the Weapons Table on p. 272 it has a note [9] which points you to p. 397 and has the rules for Lance damage on a mount. Base thrust dice are based on Mounts mass and velocity, to whit:
(ST * Move)/100 dropping fractions
ST 25 mount which moved 8 yards/sec does:
(25 * 8)/100 = 2d thrust, plus 3 because the Lance does thr+3 damage.

Re: Lances
 

It was a 3th ed rule, but it didn't make much sense(because the speed of the horse didn't matter, and the damage was too high).

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AKA: The Slam Damage Formula, with +3 Impaling.

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Yeah, same thing is allowed in MA. But here's a murphy: this rule means only the mass of the horse matters - the mass of the rider and armour has no effect; horses with identical final velocity and different rider masses do same damage.

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Yeah, but the weight of rider and armor are pretty minimal variables in this formula. A Horse traveling the aforementioned 8yards/sec with ST25 does 2d damage. To bring that up to 3d damage at the same speed you'd need ST37.5, which is a very significant increase in mass. Given quadratic ST/HP that represents more than doubling (x2.25) the mass of the Horse, which no rider and armor are likely to do. At best there might be some edge cases (ST24 horse at Move 8) where a rider's weight could push it over the edge to the next die of damage.

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Perhaps it does up for this by the fact that rider might increase weight, but also encumbrance, thus decreasing speed. OTOH you could always just add together the weight of horse + stuff on it's back for a houserule.

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But the current rule doesn't use horse weight/HP, it uses ST, which makes little sense, especially since the horse isn't wielding the lance.

Unless the lance is strapped on directly to the horse...

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But the final velocity of the horse is already adjusted for encumbrance (because an encumbered horse cannot run at full Move).