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Valadrim's Warhammer 40,000 conversion thread

First I must acknowledge a huge debt to Perfect Organism's work here http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?t=67296. Much of this is highly derivative.

Before I did anything else I wanted to figure out what the weapons and armour would look like. Like Perfect Organism, I started with Ultra-Tech to find comparisons, but I changed things around with reckless abandon to make things work.

Code:

Weapon                Damage                Acc        Range                 Weight        RoF        Shots        ST        Bulk        Rcl

Lasgun                5d(2) burn        10        500/1,500        5.6/2C        10        70(3)        5t        -3        1

Laspistol        4d(2) burn        6        300/900                3.3/C        10        70(3)        6        -2        1

Longlas                8d(2) burn        12+2        1,300/3,900        19/2C        1        20(3)        10t        -5        1

Hellgun                6d(3) burn        10        2,000/6,000        8/Dp        10        200(5)        7t        -4        1

Lascannon        6dx10(5) burn        10        50k/150k        500/Fp        1        15(5)        27M        -10        1



Inferno Pistol        5dx2(30) bn cor        3        30/90                3.3/?        1        8(5)        6        -2        1

Meltagun        8dx2(30) bn cor        6        50/150                5.6/?        1        12(5)        5t        -3        1

Multimelta        6dx6(30) bn cor        8        150/450                70/?        1        33(5)        18M        -8        1



Plasmapistol        8dx2(10) bn ex        4        500/1,500        3.3/?        1        10(3)        9        -3        2

Plasmagun        6dx4(10) bn ex        8        750/2,250        20/?        1        20(5)        11t        -6        2



Autogun                6d pi                4        700/4,000        7/1.5        15        50+1(3)        9t        -4        2

Autopistol        3d pi +                2        180/2,000        3/1        10        30+1(3)        10        -2        3

Hand Cannon        4d+1 pi++        2        235/2,600        3/1        3        9+1(3)        11        -2        4

Shotgun                4d+4 pi++        3        100/500                6/.75        3        5+1(3)        10t        -5        4

Heavy Stubber        9d pi++                5        1,300/5,800        20/6        10        60(5)        11Bt        -6        3



Boltgun                8d(3) pi++        4        1,900                10/7.5        10        30(3)        10t        -4        2

+follow up        1d cr ex [1d]

Boltpistol        8d(3) pi++        2        1,900                3/2.5        3        10(3)        10        -3        3

+follow up        1d cr ex [1d]

Heavy Bolter        12d(3) pi++        3        3,900                80/15        10        60(5)        20M        -8        1

+follow up        1d+1 cr ex [1d+1]

Code:

Armour Type                DR                Weight

Guardsman Armour        20                13

Guardsman Helmet        20                4

Carapace Armour                50/30                30

Carapace Helmet                20/12                5

Power Armour                120/80                 500

Re: Valadrim's Warhammer 40,000 conversion thread

Why did you give melta's an armor divisor of thirty? (I don't know much about 40K beyond the grimdark)

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Originally Posted by lexington (Post 1114816)

Why did you give melta's an armor divisor of thirty? (I don't know much about 40K beyond the grimdark)

Because Meltas burn though everything? Even Titan armor. Landraiders, with their AV 14 all around are still penetrated on a regular basis by Melta weapons.

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Originally Posted by lexington (Post 1114816)

Why did you give melta's an armor divisor of thirty? (I don't know much about 40K beyond the grimdark)

They all normal armour in the wargame irrelevant. Only shields and supernatural protection have a chance at stopping them as a general rule. The Basic set seems to imply that armour divisors normally go from 10 to 100 (BS p 47), but 100 seemed to be a bit much for something technological.

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Originally Posted by Valadrim (Post 1114835)

But plasma weaponry isn't really a superior penetration choice compared to lascannons. Surely just drop them to have an armor divisor of 5, let multi-meltas have 10 and leave 100 for Necron gauss weapons.

Also, why do the plasma weapons have the explosive modifier? It's only the cannon version that's suppose to fire explosive shots.

With meltas, why the major damage difference? The main distinguishing feature is suppose to be the range (by the way, I think you have a typo on the multi-melta's range). This seems particularly important with the Inferno pistol, as it's meant to be hard to remake.

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Originally Posted by Dinadon (Post 1114937)

Since 3rd edition 40k, Lascannons and Plasma guns have the same AP value: 2, with Lascannons having a slight edge in Strength(9 vs 8), giving them slightly better penetration and wounding characteristics against massive targets(vehicles, Carnifexes, the AVATAR...), but the difference against troop models really doesn't matter. I think Valadrim isn't far off the mark in giving them their damage values: a las cannon does 210 damage, penetrating up to DR 1049, while a Plasma Gun goes 84 damage, and penetrates up to DR 839. On the face of it, it seems like the Plasma gun is more effective, but it lacks the raw brute force of the LasCannon.

also, I think an AD of (10) for meltas is a bit weak. Meltas are capable of slagging through any armor in the game: melta bombs can take out ANYTHING(Except...the AVATAR!) in one hit, especially at close ranges. A Melta should be able to go through a tank's armor at about the same capability as a las cannon, beyond it's 1/2d range. Within 1/2d range, a Melta should be able to completely burn pretty much anything short of an MBT to a crisp, and wil leven take out MBTs on a fairly regular basis.

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Also, why do the plasma weapons have the explosive modifier? It's only the cannon version that's suppose to fire explosive shots.

Plasma guns have been described as having an explosive impact for at least 15 years in the background. However, keep in mind that a Plasma pistols effective blast is about 3yds in radius, against an unarmored man. Against a soldier in flak armor, even a a blast within 1yd isn't really very lethal, and unlikely to kill, or even wound. The vaunted Plasmagun's blast radius against unarmored troops would be something like 4yds, which is just too small to even *begin* to qualify for the blast template in 40k.

A different approach I thought about with Meltas was to make them effectively flamethrowers, but with an armor divisor and corrosion damage, allowing them to "melt" through armor with a good, close, sustained shot.

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Originally Posted by Dinadon (Post 1114937)

With meltas, why the major damage difference? The main distinguishing feature is suppose to be the range (by the way, I think you have a typo on the multi-melta's range). This seems particularly important with the Inferno pistol, as it's meant to be hard to remake.

In the wargame they have similar stats, but Dark Heresy et all gives a power differential. However perhaps the difference I have given is too large.

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Originally Posted by Verjigorm (Post 1114955)

I have been playing with an armour divisor of (5) for plasma which will give a 44 penetrating damage against a light vehicle with DR of 200 or 60 damage to a space marine torso. These numbers feel like they might be sufficient, but I want to check all of my other numbers

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Originally Posted by Verjigorm (Post 1114955)

also, I think an AD of (10) for meltas is a bit weak. Meltas are capable of slagging through any armor in the game: melta bombs can take out ANYTHING(Except...the AVATAR!) in one hit, especially at close ranges. A Melta should be able to go through a tank's armor at about the same capability as a las cannon, beyond it's 1/2d range. Within 1/2d range, a Melta should be able to completely burn pretty much anything short of an MBT to a crisp, and wil leven take out MBTs on a fairly regular basis.

Plasma guns have been described as having an explosive impact for at least 15 years in the background. However, keep in mind that a Plasma pistols effective blast is about 3yds in radius, against an unarmored man. Against a soldier in flak armor, even a a blast within 1yd isn't really very lethal, and unlikely to kill, or even wound. The vaunted Plasmagun's blast radius against unarmored troops would be something like 4yds, which is just too small to even *begin* to qualify for the blast template in 40k.

Agreed

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Originally Posted by Verjigorm (Post 1114955)

A different approach I thought about with Meltas was to make them effectively flamethrowers, but with an armor divisor and corrosion damage, allowing them to "melt" through armor with a good, close, sustained shot.

Actually I based it off of plasma flamers, and corrosion is going into the stat-line, thank you...but perhaps I should up the damage and lower the pen to compensate...I'll keep it as is (with cor) and see what happens.

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Originally Posted by Valadrim (Post 1114835)

From that description would probably give them (100) and have the types of armor they can't penetrate have two levels of Hardened.

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Originally Posted by Valadrim (Post 1115189)

Great minds, think alike? My impression of Melta guns is that the use some sort of directed heat beam, like a ... death ray/pulse laser. If you dont hold the beam on the same spot for a sufficient period of time, it doesn't blast through. But if you hold it on it, it eventually cuts all the way through. Like a thermite beam!

Of course, I also assume that a 40k round is actually several seconds, if not minutes, and an attack action represents aimed fire for several seconds, maybe even multiple attack manuevers.

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Originally Posted by lexington (Post 1115204)

From that description would probably give them (100) and have the types of armor they can't penetrate have two levels of Hardened.

The only armors they dont penetrate are force fields. Well, i mean, they can glance or ding off things sometimes. But rarely, as the minimum armor value for a 40k vehicle is 10(think...unarmored car), the minimum result a melta gun can do to an AV 10 vehicle is capable of destroying it. Melta guns are basically an unstoppable force: they carve through everthing.

But there are supernatural forcefields/reality warping things that can protect against meltas. But even then, it's not very likely.