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Kalzazz

01-14-2011 08:13 PM

Re: Mixing Low-Tech armour rules with Ultra-Tech materials?

Technomancer suggests for things like Fortify increase DR by 5% if DR is greater than 20

I think Id use 10% though, and lower by 10% for cheap

So Hardened Commando Battlesuit DR 115, Cheap 95

And modify ST bonuses etc the same

benz72

01-14-2011 11:38 PM

Re: Mixing Low-Tech armour rules with Ultra-Tech materials?

It would be really nice to see an integrated approach to this.

LT, HT, UT all using the same rules (percentage based for scale, with notes about how low level granularity rounds out). I think it would help make the 'Universal' label more accurate.

DemiBenson

01-15-2011 12:07 PM

Re: Mixing Low-Tech armour rules with Ultra-Tech materials?

Quote:

Originally Posted by benz72 (Post 1106885)

I'd love to see that. I'm working on one combining LT and MA locations, but it never occurred to me to mix in UT.

lexington

01-15-2011 12:17 PM

Re: Mixing Low-Tech armour rules with Ultra-Tech materials?

Quote:

Originally Posted by benz72 (Post 1106885)

Absolutely. Seems like it would be an incredible amount of work, though.

jacobmuller

01-15-2011 01:44 PM

Re: Mixing Low-Tech armour rules with Ultra-Tech materials?

armour per location: LowTech compared to Ultratech
It ain't perfect but you can see that the two charts published involved rounding of numbers: it makes them easier to use.

Code:

Location        LT        UT        UT as LT%        Houserule LT%/ UT fraction        

HEAD                30%        -        -                30%/ 0.105

Skull                [20%]        0.05        14%                        [17%/ 0.06]

Face                [10%]        0.05        14%                        [13%/ 0.045]

NECK                5%        0.025        7%                6%/ 0.02

TORSO                100%        -        -                100%/ 0.35

Chest                [75%]        0.25        71%                        [70%/ 0.245]                

Abdomen                [25%]        -        -                        [30%/ 0.105]

{groin}                {5%}        0.10        29%                        {5%/ 0.0175}

ARMS                50%        0.125        36%                50%/ 0.175

Shoulders        [10%]        -        -                        [10%/ 0.035]

Upper arm        [10%]        -        -                        [10%/ 0.035]

Elbow                [5%]        -        -                        [5%/ 0.0175]

Forearm                [25%]        -        -                        [15%/ 0.0525]

HANDS                10%        0.05        14%                        [10%/ 0.035]

LEGS                100%        0.25        71%                100%/ 0.35

Thighs                [45%]        -        -                        [45%/ 0.1575]

Knees                [5%]        -        -                        [5%/ 0.0175]

Shins                [50%]        -        -                        [35%/ 0.1225]

FEET                10%        0.10        29%                        [15%/ 0.0525]                

TOTAL                305%        1.00        285%                286%/ 1

jacobmuller

01-16-2011 03:25 AM

Re: Mixing Low-Tech armour rules with Ultra-Tech materials?

Sorry, out walking the dogs and realised I'd left a lot out:0
The chart above cannot be used for Low-Tech: the sum of the parts must be greater than the whole; each separate part needs an attachment point, ties and straps, and that all adds up. 305% instead of 28#%.
Ultratech clothing can be a single piece of cloth, eg a boiler suit with a zip front and an attached hood.

The numbers in the chart reflect the surface area to be covered but don't allow for attachments or crossover, eg my sweater covers my arms to the wrist and my gloves cover my wrists and my overcoat covers my wrists: sitting here waiting to go to work I have 4 layers of cloth over my abdomen, one on my legs and arms, two on my chest and shoulders. A chain hauberk that covers torso and arms can be a single piece 140% but chain arms to wear with a plate "chest" will be more than 40%; so, as LT has it, 50% is perfectly logical. UT and LT do match but LT allows for straps.

jacobmuller

01-16-2011 04:42 AM

Re: Mixing Low-Tech armour rules with Ultra-Tech materials?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perfect Organism (Post 1105402)

Has anyone written up the various armour materials from Ultra-Tech (or High-Tech for that matter) in the format used in Low-Tech yet? Or worked out a formula to convert them at least?

Howzat

Code:

TL        Type                $        Wgt        Notes

9-11        Ballistic        420        2.8        p172

9-10        Ablative        420        2.8        p173

9        Reflective        140        0.9        p173

11^        Retro Reflec        1,400        0.9        p173

10        Bioplas                870        1.5        p174

12        Energy cloth        965        2.9        p175

I've left out the actual notes and DR. It's all in UT at the pages given above.
Don time should be no more than 15, as for a chain vest, and should probably be less, nothing to tie or maybe just a snap-stud/ zipper?

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