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Godogma 09-27-2010 02:56 AM

GURPS Shadowrun
 
Alright, Shadowrun is pretty much TL9 ... however there are several TL10 items in amongst the others and I'm needing an adequate method of simulating Dikoting.

Here is the text from the Shadowrun 3e Man and Machine book; I'd like to figure out how to make it work in GURPS.

Dikote is a process that places a thin diamond film on the surface of any solid surface. The diamond film imparts more structural strength and resilience. Dikoted surfaces are smooth and relatively frictionless, conduct heat well and can be modified to conduct electricity.

Not everything can be glazed with Dikote. The item treated must be able to withstand the heat generated by the plasma used in the glazing process. Cloth and plastic cannot be treated by the process, though ceramics and most metals can.

Game Effects: Dikoting a surface adds 2 to the barrier rating and +1 to any ballistic and impact armor. If used to coat a vehicle or drone it adds +1 to the vehicle's body and armor ratings; it takes up no CF.

When dikote is used to coat a melee, throwing or projectile weapon add +1 to the Power of any attack with the treated weapon. If applied to an edged instrument such as a sword the weapons Damage level is also increased by one. For example, a sword that is normally (STR+2)M, would have (STR+3)S if Dikoted.

Barriers use their normal ratings against Dikoted melee weapons (as opposed to the usual double ratings used vs melee attacks).

Dikoting costs 1000 nuyen per 100 square centimeters (minimum 1000 nuyen cost).

Juca 09-27-2010 04:59 AM

Re: GURPS Shadowrun
 
Well, in Shadowrun rules dikoting is soo overpower that it was ruled out in 4th edition. In Gurps I would rule that weapons coated in it are considered very fine weapons. As for armors, maybe consider then spaced armor?

Celjabba 09-27-2010 05:22 AM

Re: GURPS Shadowrun
 
The technology is current.
Shadowrun implementation, however, is beyond cinematic.

If i remenber correctly, a troll with a dikoted katana or, worse, dikoted battle-arrows and a compound bow could cut through medium armored vehicles like butter...

In gurps,
a realistic approach would be +1 damage to edged weapon,
and Dikoted mechanics would reduce their malf number.
All dikoted gear would become easier to clean, and may perhaps gain +1dr versus heat/electricity.

For a cinematic approach closer to Shadowruun, I would rule that dikoted armor gain one level of hardened, and dikoted weapons gain one level of armor divisor.

Hope this help

Celjabba

Edit: As suggested above, treating dikoted gear as very fine is probably the best option.

Godogma 09-27-2010 05:39 AM

Re: GURPS Shadowrun
 
4th Edition Shadowrun is also distinctly NOT Shadowrun, it doesn't have the same feel it had when FASA owned the game or anything else that actually attracts me as a player or GM - I view the whole thing with intense dislike.

Yes the implementation in SR 3e was definitely cinematic, but the whole world was that way so there's really nothing against it for that. But a game that distinctly resets the entire technology base that was used in the original timeline and system then reworks it for full line simsense/decking on Wireless waves? Doesn't make any sense. Radio waves just don't have the necessary bandwidth to run that sort of thing across.

But this isn't a SR forum and I'm not getting into that old argument.

NineDaysDead 09-27-2010 06:28 AM

Re: GURPS Shadowrun
 
Superfine Blade? Ultra-tech page 163

Gold & Appel Inc 09-27-2010 07:25 AM

Re: GURPS Shadowrun
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Godogma (Post 1054057)
4th Edition Shadowrun is also distinctly NOT Shadowrun, it doesn't have the same feel it had when FASA owned the game or anything else that actually attracts me as a player or GM - I view the whole thing with intense dislike.

Yes the implementation in SR 3e was definitely cinematic, but the whole world was that way so there's really nothing against it for that. But a game that distinctly resets the entire technology base that was used in the original timeline and system then reworks it for full line simsense/decking on Wireless waves? Doesn't make any sense. Radio waves just don't have the necessary bandwidth to run that sort of thing across.

But this isn't a SR forum and I'm not getting into that old argument.

Not to debate a matter of opinion, but the decking update was the one 4e thing that my group insisted that I include in my GURPS mostly-3e-Shadowrun conversion. We don't care if it makes sense in technological terms, because 1) we're talking about a setting with widespread magic and a few examples of TL 9^ here, and 2) we think it's more fun if the decker PC is running around risking his neck and acting concurrently with the other PCs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NineDaysDead (Post 1054067)
Superfine Blade? Ultra-tech page 163

That's what I'd do.

Crakkerjakk 09-27-2010 08:46 AM

Re: GURPS Shadowrun
 
Yeah. Don't worry about the game mechanics in SR. What it comes down to is it makes sharp weapons hit harder. Just call it Superfine Blades (UT163).

If you want to allow it for armor, let PCs use it as per "Heavy" style (UT 175) without increasing the weight for 6 times cost.

sn0wball 09-27-2010 09:08 AM

Re: GURPS Shadowrun
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Godogma (Post 1054057)

Yes the implementation in SR 3e was definitely cinematic, but the whole world was that way so there's really nothing against it for that. But a game that distinctly resets the entire technology base that was used in the original timeline and system then reworks it for full line simsense/decking on Wireless waves? Doesn't make any sense. Radio waves just don't have the necessary bandwidth to run that sort of thing across.

By the way, how do you represent Shadowrun-style decing in GURPS ?

OldSam 09-27-2010 10:06 AM

Re: GURPS Shadowrun
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sn0wball (Post 1054132)
By the way, how do you represent Shadowrun-style decing in GURPS ?

Do you mean "decking"?

If so, I guess the new hacking-/netrunning-rules from "Pyramid #3/21: Cyberpunk" would probably be a good solution...
Though, I didn't try them yet (only read the description) - but maybe someone else can say if these are well suited for Shadowrun?

Rocket Man 09-27-2010 10:11 AM

Re: GURPS Shadowrun
 
I know the Third Edition hacking/cyberspace rules from GURPS Cyberpunk worked pretty well for my college group when we created our own "GURPS Shadowrun." If the ones form Pyramid are in a similar spirit, they should do just fine.


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