Twins
 

A player dropped down the card "Twins" (2x yourself) when he was alone in the fight. The card said "... you can play the card only when you alone in battle...". After we dropped an extra monster. Is he allowed to discard twins and get help? Or get help with the excuse that when he played the card he was alone so he can get 2x self + help?

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I think the card you are referring to is Doppleganger, which is an Item card meaning you can't discard it whenever you wish.

I don't think you can get any help from other players, but you might want to wait for someone else to confirm that.

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It may well not be Doppleganger in other languages -- please keep in mind that not all our posters are playing the English version of the game.

I would allow you to ask for help, but the Doppleganger's bonus would go away.

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I am well aware, I was merely using it for confirmation purposes rather then correction, ease up buddy.

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I suggest you ease up. Arguing with the mods is a very, very quick way to get in to trouble.

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First of all as i can read this is not an official answer.
"I would allow you to ask for help, but the Doppleganger's bonus would go away."

Second Nakiro you overreacted in my opinion since there was no reason to respond "ease up buddy". He didn't insult you or anything.

Third i like less the "Arguing with the mods is a very, very quick way to get in to trouble." threaten-like response, especially from a mod. It is clearly that this (i have not read any other of Nakiro's messages) was a misunderstanding but you didn't act as if it was one. You defended your position where you shouldn't, with a wrong way. In case he is repeatedly offensive, my apologies.

Now should i tell you both to ease up or i am risking my freedom to post at your forums?

By the way, yes it is the Doppleganger card as i figured out from another thread.

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An answer from Andrew is as official as it will ever get....lest Mr. Jackson trumps him some how I suppose...lol...

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It is not official yet, although Erik and I should discuss it with Steve and get his take on it.

I think we had a collision of your original post not using the English name for the card and Nakiro misreading my reply as insulting, rather than the informative "Hey, remember that cards have different names in different editions" that I intended. If that was his misreading, then "ease up" is understandable . . . but the tone of it seemed a bit hostile, and I'm sure it's that tone that Erik reacted to.

In any case, the forum rules state very clearly that publicly arguing with moderators when they are acting as moderators is not allowed. If you wish to dispute something, you may do so privately or via e-mail. Accordingly, this subject is closed.

That's why I used the subjunctive: "That's how I would rule" instead of "That's the ruling." I'm not willing to say it's official quite yet.

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I would still check in with SJ, but it seems to me that you can only use the Doppleganger when you are alone. If you're no longer alone, the Doppleganger fizzles out since you're no longer alone. Other options are you can't get help at all, or you can get help and keep the Doppleganger because you used it when you were alone. Neither of those other options are what I would think make the most sense.

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That's what I was trying to say, but you said it more clearly.

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This seems very analogous to a gnome playing illusion and later being helped.

I would hope the ruling is similar for consistancy.

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I was reading this and was wondering if what the outcome is

-Justin

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Well, I can recall ruling similarly several times before, so I'm guessing a forum search for "gnome illusion" will probably find it.

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Hasn't been one yet. Steve's been too busy writing the next Munchkin set for me to bother him with a niggling rule question.

So, for now, I'm going to make this official (subject to change later): if you have already played Doppleganger, or used the Gnome's Illusion power, or activated any other ability that requires you to be alone in the combat, you may still ask for help if the situation changes, but the Doppleganger/Illusion/whatever fizzles at that point, and you don't get those cards back, either.

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If a Gnome fighting alone illusions in a creature for the bonus, and then discards his gnome card (by choice or by force), does the bonus remain? My assumption is yes--similar to warriors and clerics who keep the bonuses they receive from triggering their ability even if they lose their class after.

Following that assumption (traditionally shaky ground), once the Gnome has activated the class ability, the conditions of the ability have been met. It doesn't say you can't ask for help after. It doesn't say lose the bonus if you are later joined by another. To me, the only 2 aspects of the Gnome's restriction are: 1) You can only do it once per combat, and 2) You have to be alone *at the time* you do it.

Hmmm.

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Just a thought on Doppleganger...the text on the card says:

"You may use the Doppleganger only when you are the only player in combat."

Munchkin is a quirky game so my question is this. In that line, when it says, 'the Doppleganger' does it mean the card or does it mean your summoned double? Or both?

If it is A then I would think the card can only be played when alone, but once played, your Double will fight even if you are later joined. If B then I would allow the card to be played while *not* alone in combat, but your Double wouldn't fight alongside you. If at some point during the combat the Helper is forced to leave, your Double would then get off his/her butt. If it covers both the card and the summoned double then I totally get having the Double fizzle if you are later joined in combat.

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I'm not soliciting further counterarguments at this time. I've made my official ruling (subject to change by Steve).