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Originally Posted by MunchkinMan (Post 1031749)

I would still check in with SJ, but it seems to me that you can only use the Doppleganger when you are alone. If you're no longer alone, the Doppleganger fizzles out since you're no longer alone. Other options are you can't get help at all, or you can get help and keep the Doppleganger because you used it when you were alone. Neither of those other options are what I would think make the most sense.

This seems very analogous to a gnome playing illusion and later being helped.

I would hope the ruling is similar for consistancy.

I was reading this and was wondering if what the outcome is

-Justin

Well, I can recall ruling similarly several times before, so I'm guessing a forum search for "gnome illusion" will probably find it.

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Originally Posted by Blackasnight (Post 1038133)

I was reading this and was wondering if what the outcome is

Hasn't been one yet. Steve's been too busy writing the next Munchkin set for me to bother him with a niggling rule question.

So, for now, I'm going to make this official (subject to change later): if you have already played Doppleganger, or used the Gnome's Illusion power, or activated any other ability that requires you to be alone in the combat, you may still ask for help if the situation changes, but the Doppleganger/Illusion/whatever fizzles at that point, and you don't get those cards back, either.

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Originally Posted by Andrew Hackard (Post 1038244)

So, for now, I'm going to make this official (subject to change later): if you have already played Doppleganger, or used the Gnome's Illusion power, or activated any other ability that requires you to be alone in the combat, you may still ask for help if the situation changes, but the Doppleganger/Illusion/whatever fizzles at that point, and you don't get those cards back, either.

If a Gnome fighting alone illusions in a creature for the bonus, and then discards his gnome card (by choice or by force), does the bonus remain? My assumption is yes--similar to warriors and clerics who keep the bonuses they receive from triggering their ability even if they lose their class after.

Following that assumption (traditionally shaky ground), once the Gnome has activated the class ability, the conditions of the ability have been met. It doesn't say you can't ask for help after. It doesn't say lose the bonus if you are later joined by another. To me, the only 2 aspects of the Gnome's restriction are: 1) You can only do it once per combat, and 2) You have to be alone *at the time* you do it.

Hmmm.

Just a thought on Doppleganger...the text on the card says:

"You may use the Doppleganger only when you are the only player in combat."

Munchkin is a quirky game so my question is this. In that line, when it says, 'the Doppleganger' does it mean the card or does it mean your summoned double? Or both?

If it is A then I would think the card can only be played when alone, but once played, your Double will fight even if you are later joined. If B then I would allow the card to be played while *not* alone in combat, but your Double wouldn't fight alongside you. If at some point during the combat the Helper is forced to leave, your Double would then get off his/her butt. If it covers both the card and the summoned double then I totally get having the Double fizzle if you are later joined in combat.

I'm not soliciting further counterarguments at this time. I've made my official ruling (subject to change by Steve).