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vicky_molokh 07-01-2010 07:20 AM

Examples needed: rise of a Corporate State (Enterprise) from low-tech to TL9
 
Greetings, all!

I'm looking at the entries of the GURPS government/society types, and I'm finding them unsatisfactory and short. I also vaguely remember some book describing them in (slightly more detail). Either way, I'm looking toward an example of such a society growing up from relatively low tech up to TL9 (after which it should probably not change much).

Some specifics that should be addressed before discussing this topic:
  • Please, no eutopian/dystopian examples.
  • I'm talking about what the other book called the Enterprise subtype of Corporate State. Notably, monopolies are harshly and efficiently persecuted in this state (or else it would fall into a different category).
  • Please do not focus too much coup d'états and subjugation (especially successful ones!) - any kind of government can suffer from them; this thread is for discussing a CS that lasts.
  • While every government type has its disadvantages, please refrain from turning them into 'ur socitie iz teh suxxorz'. Criticism should be constructive. Also, see above about dystopian examples.
  • Also, do not turn it into a political thread, and do not try to talk about how some other society type is absolutely better. That would be off-topic.

So, anybody has any such examples to share?
Thanks in advance!

blacksmith 07-01-2010 08:03 AM

Re: Exmples needed: rise of a Corporate State (Enterprise) from low-tech to TL9
 
The kind that jump most readily as historic example would be colonies administered by the various India companies. A coal mining town where everyone is paid in script might count as well.

nik1979 07-01-2010 08:09 AM

Re: Exmples needed: rise of a Corporate State (Enterprise) from low-tech to TL9
 
Hey vicky, maybe you could give a breakdown of stats, I almost ended up with an 800 word report on my views regarding economic-behavioral model for a corporate state.

vicky_molokh 07-01-2010 08:15 AM

Re: Exmples needed: rise of a Corporate State (Enterprise) from low-tech to TL9
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nik1979 (Post 1009353)
Hey vicky, maybe you could give a breakdown of stats, I almost ended up with an 800 word report on my views regarding economic-behavioral model for a corporate state.

Breakdown of stats? What do you mean?

Ze'Manel Cunha 07-01-2010 08:30 AM

Re: Exmples needed: rise of a Corporate State (Enterprise) from low-tech to TL9
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vicky_molokh (Post 1009355)
Breakdown of stats? What do you mean?

I'm not sure we know what you're talking about, do you have anything which exists in the real world in mind?

Because I'm not aware of any existing "Corporate States", so you need to define your terms.

vicky_molokh 07-01-2010 08:38 AM

Re: Exmples needed: rise of a Corporate State (Enterprise) from low-tech to TL9
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ze'Manel Cunha (Post 1009359)
I'm not sure we know what you're talking about, do you have anything which exists in the real world in mind?

Because I'm not aware of any existing "Corporate States", so you need to define your terms.

The term comes from 4ed Basic Set page 509, and some earlier books (I have a vague memory of Space or the like having a word to say about it. I also have a suspicion that THS assigns Duncanites some version of this society type, though I do not know for sure.

Ze'Manel Cunha 07-01-2010 08:47 AM

Re: Exmples needed: rise of a Corporate State (Enterprise) from low-tech to TL9
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vicky_molokh (Post 1009362)
The term comes from 4ed Basic Set page 509, and some earlier books (I have a vague memory of Space or the like having a word to say about it. I also have a suspicion that THS assigns Duncanites some version of this society type, though I do not know for sure.

That's a fictional term, it can be used for things like an extrapolation of the Robocop setting in Detroit if the current government were to fall and everyone were to become an employee of the company running the city state.

There are no examples of anything like a Corporate State in reality, it's a fantasy setting.

vicky_molokh 07-01-2010 09:05 AM

Re: Exmples needed: rise of a Corporate State (Enterprise) from low-tech to TL9
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ze'Manel Cunha (Post 1009366)
That's a fictional term, it can be used for things like an extrapolation of the Robocop setting in Detroit if the current government were to fall and everyone were to become an employee of the company running the city state.

There are no examples of anything like a Corporate State in reality, it's a fantasy setting.

99.9% of the spaceships found in GURPS books (SS or VE) are fictional, and yet they are good, detailed (esp. VE2e), mostly internally consistent, well thought-out examples.

Same with, e.g., THS. Fictional, but well done.

Michele 07-01-2010 09:06 AM

Re: Exmples needed: rise of a Corporate State (Enterprise) from low-tech to TL9
 
The Hudson Bay Company. Monopoly, own territory (Rupert's Land), own armed forces, own policies, own money.

Since you don't want dystopian examples, I can't cite the most egregious. In general though, it's true they are colonial arrangements in actual history.

vicky_molokh 07-01-2010 09:10 AM

Re: Exmples needed: rise of a Corporate State (Enterprise) from low-tech to TL9
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Michele (Post 1009377)
The Hudson Bay Company. Monopoly, own territory (Rupert's Land), own armed forces, own policies, own money.

Since you don't want dystopian examples, I can't cite the most egregious. In general though, it's true they are colonial arrangements in actual history.

I think I remember someone on the forum mentioning a state where instead of paying taxes, people made investments into the state (buying shares), and expected an interest/dividends; having 1 share gave the investor 1 voice in the state's votes, having 10 gave 2, 100 gave 3 and so on. Perhaps a poster might recognize his/her example and name the setting it comes from (and/or give more data)?


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