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nerdvana 06-12-2009 05:00 PM

Missing Prereq on Speed-Reading
 
Shouldn't Speed-Reading (p222) have Literacy as a prereq?

Before anyone says I'm nitpicking, look at Research/TL on p217...

David Johnston2 06-12-2009 05:50 PM

Re: Missing Prereq on Speed-Reading
 
No. Research requires understanding. Speed-reading doesn't, if you have Photographic Memory.

Kromm 06-12-2009 05:55 PM

Re: Missing Prereq on Speed-Reading
 
Yeah, Speed-Reading has nothing to do with comprehension. It's just being able to glance over strings of symbols quickly. Olaf the Illiterate could take both Native Language (Native/None) and Speed-Reading, and use his skill to examine magical runes quickly without knowing what, if anything, they spell.

Kawaii_Koneko 06-12-2009 05:56 PM

Re: Missing Prereq on Speed-Reading
 
speed reading is THE skill for flip picture books ^_~

nerdvana 06-12-2009 06:28 PM

Re: Missing Prereq on Speed-Reading
 
Thanks for the quick answers!

Anaraxes 06-12-2009 07:01 PM

Re: Missing Prereq on Speed-Reading
 
Quote:

Olaf the Illiterate could... use his skill to examine magical runes quickly without knowing what, if anything, they spell
So, does Speed-Reading hurt Olaf's saving throw if he's pursuing a certain elven wizard?

pawsplay 06-13-2009 04:08 PM

Re: Missing Prereq on Speed-Reading
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by David Johnston2 (Post 804984)
No. Research requires understanding. Speed-reading doesn't, if you have Photographic Memory.

My background in psychology says this is utterly unrealistic. Speed-Reading is assuredly not a skill for absorbing vast amounts of atomically remembered symbols. Speed-Seeing is an entirely different skill.

David Johnston2 06-13-2009 08:24 PM

Re: Missing Prereq on Speed-Reading
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pawsplay (Post 805330)
My background in psychology says this is utterly unrealistic.

Photographic memory is utterly unrealistic.

nik1979 06-13-2009 09:01 PM

Re: Missing Prereq on Speed-Reading
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pawsplay (Post 805330)
My background in psychology says this is utterly unrealistic. Speed-Reading is assuredly not a skill for absorbing vast amounts of atomically remembered symbols. Speed-Seeing is an entirely different skill.

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Johnston2
Photographic memory is utterly unrealistic.

the way photographic memory works, kinda makes you wonder about the real photo-mem people. On the thought http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photographic_memory

when i was a kid my mom was told by the psychologist that i had been tested with perfect memory. I admit I have better memory when it comes to details, but not much better than anyone who was trained or habitually observant or attentive. I wouldn't say I had a +5 over my peers, maybe a +2 and on only things i actually paid attention too. I would add t say that in the Information Age we are suffering Attention poverty.

I don't think people of higher memory ability than me the real photo-mem and the eidetic mem. As an example, if you asked me to observe chinese symbols unless I wrote them down i would not remember each detail precise and reliably enough even if my life depended on it.

If there were to be a measure of context- maybe alien symbols should be a -5 TDM to remember, -10 TDM when speed reading.

Oh yea, I used to do the Speed Read, Photo-mem combo, for my spies and hackers. After a while it was utterly unrealistic.

pawsplay 06-15-2009 10:58 PM

Re: Missing Prereq on Speed-Reading
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by David Johnston2 (Post 805413)
Photographic memory is utterly unrealistic.

Some forms are obviously realistic. Globally is rather unrealistic, but I would not say utterly, at the level of detail GURPS usually works at.


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