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Hi all!

i'm a Italian Munchkin Player, so i hope you'll forgive some mistakes in my english

here on italian munchkin forum we got a very hard question: one shot items hit a specific target?

i'm arguing that one shot items, hitting either SIDE, don't give bonus specifically to a player or a monster, but instead it's a bonus to the side attacking (player/s) or defencing (monster/s)..

this means that if a one-shot is played to help 2 monsters fighting a player, and if 1 of the monsters is made disappears, this bonus dont disappears with him, but it still stays, 'cause the SIDE of monsters (just 1, now) is still there.

hope u will understand this messy post, and u'll find a light in this darkness :P

Re: One Shot Items

One shot items help a side.

Monster Enhancers enhance a specific monster.

So if a Monster Enhancer is used on a monster and the monster is removed, the enhancer goes with it.

The one shot item is not attached to any monster, so if you eliminate a monster, it does not go; the bonus remains.

Re: One Shot Items

Actually, I seem to recall a ruling that stated one-shots did get applied to a specific monster. I'm looking now...

EDIT: Found it, sort of. http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/...d/message/8211

It's in regards to whether or not Mate would double a one-shot, and the answer is yes. This could not be if it wasn't played on a specific monster.

Re: One Shot Items

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Originally Posted by Progmode

I'd argue that Mate should not be taken as a general precedent for questions like this; it's a weird card and sometimes requires its own set of rulings.

Also, since reading the list archives requires one to be subscribed to the list, it's probably better to excerpt the relevant post and quote it here than post a link that many people won't be able to use. The forums are readable whether one has subscribed or not.

Re: One Shot Items

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Originally Posted by Andrew Hackard

Fair enough. Here is a post from this forum:

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Originally Posted by MunchkinMan

I had this beautiful, long post, with four-part harmonies in the middle, and all kinds of fun stuff, and it all disappeared.

So, I'll try again as the day goes on. . .

But, the history of things, as best as I can recall:

Long ago, I used to say that one-shot Items weren't duplicated. Somewhere around 2003, SJ and I are at an event together, and he says something during a Munchkin event that makes me think I've had it backwards. Over time, I try to explain it to people and I get a little flak, so I create a massive e-mail, with all kinds of scenarios involving Monsters, Mates, one-shot Items, Monster Enhancers and the occasional Doppleganger. The result of all that: In every scenario, the one-shot Item(s) got doubled.

So, here's how I handle it:

If there's one Monster, everything is simple, just double it.
If there were two Monsters and a one-shot Item helping them, then one gets doubled, the one-shot Item was in the possession of the doubled Monster.
If there are multiple Monsters, one gets doubled, any one-shot Items now need to get played for a specific Monster. Of course, everyone will pick the doubled Monster.

No matter what, if you want to remove a Monster through the use of a card, or through charming, and you want to remove a doubled Monster, remove the doubling card (e.g., Mate) on a doubled Monster before so the original Monster and anything played for that Monster remains.

Now, I suppose this doesn't directly answer the question at hand, and perhaps it doesn't matter at all until a Mate (or its ilk) are played.

So, a scenario: I'm a Wizard in combat against one monster and a +3 one-shot is played on the monster's side. I charm the monster and another player wanders in a new monster. Keeping in mind that most Munchkin cards are written assuming One Munchkin/One Monster per combat, did the +3 disappear when I charmed the original monster or did it hang around to give its bonus to the new monster? Historically, I've played it as the one-shot is gone.

Re: One Shot Items

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Originally Posted by Progmode

So, a scenario: I'm a Wizard in combat against one monster and a +3 one-shot is played on the monster's side. I charm the monster and another player wanders in a new monster. Keeping in mind that most Munchkin cards are written assuming One Munchkin/One Monster per combat, did the +3 disappear when I charmed the original monster or did it hang around to give its bonus to the new monster? Historically, I've played it as the one-shot is gone.

Oooo. See, now that is an interesting new approach.

Re: One Shot Items

i agree with the arguments on mate.. it's an exception, 'cause mate says "same level and same bonuses"... so even one shots count.

instead, in the scenario with the wizard, the fight is still the same, so, if "side" is translated with "one monster" the bonus disappears. but, if side is just the side, so the attacking side or the defencing side, the new monster keep the bonus. in a battle (or a sport-group game, football for example), even if someone is tired, and is replaced by someone else, the sides are the same no?

the rules here do not help, as they say, (may i quote? the rules are public on game's site.. if i cant' i'm sorry, cancel this)

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Use a one-shot card. If you have a potion, you could help someone
by casting it against their foe.

they seem to suggest to use the +x AGAINST the foe..... !!!! but if the target is the foe, and the card says "+X" (not "-X") he get the bonus, not the malus! so they cant be targeted on the foe, but on the SIDE of the player against the foe..

this just to say that they dont specific if is needed a target.. instead, the second part

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Of course, you can “accidentally”
hit your friend with the potion, and it will count against them.

says that you HIT your friend, and count agaist THEM (not him..) as already told, you dont target the player, cause in this way he will get the +X bonus. but here, is used the plural (them), that seems to me a hint to my question, intending all the attacking side, not just one of the players.

Re: One Shot Items

...which I've always said makes no sense, because if you're using a potion that gives a bonus to you, it would be the *monster* that you're hitting by "accident" in order to hurt the player, not the player...

Re: One Shot Items

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Originally Posted by Kimpire

Even assuming using logic made sense in most of Munchkin, that's not necessarily true. Maybe you drink the potion and it gives you a bonus: maybe "Druid Fluid" gives you the added powers of Merlin's magick for the combat.... Not all potions are Molotav cocktails.

Re: One Shot Items

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Originally Posted by ArcadianRefugee

that's exactly what i'm saying... in any way you figure out how you are using the one shot, it grants a bonus to you or to the monster, your wish... you dont need to target