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Re: ACC. vs MOA.

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Originally Posted by Anthony

In general, MOA should play absolutely no role in Acc, except at extreme ranges; instead, it limits your absolute skill, because no matter how good you are with a gun, and no matter how fine your sights, you can't reliably hit a target that's smaller than your group size with the weapon. This skill limit is on the order of 26 - 6 * log10(MOA), and will thus be rarely encountered by normal characters, though it's easy to hit if you build the Sniper Of Doom character.

This will rarely be encountered for real-world characters with rifles, but can limit the utility of handguns at practical engagement ranges. Handguns have inherent accuracies from about 8MoA to as much as 25MoA for some short barreled or lower quality pistols. At 25yds, a 6" diameter target (head shot) MoA starts to become a limiting factor; at 50yds with a handgun (not a typical engagement distance in the real world, but quite doable for PCs) the odds of actually hitting the target can easily be maxed out at 50%-80%, limiting skill to the 10-13 range (for Pcs, still worth taking).

I agree with the MoA acting as a limiting agency on max effective skill. I believe I posted a similar formula in a different thread, although yours makes better use of the actual math from the speed/range table, where mine was a lookup.

Re: ACC. vs MOA.

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Originally Posted by DouglasCole

It's a measurement of the dispersion of gunshots at range. MoA stands for Minutes of Angle, and happens to be roughly a one inch circle at 100yds. So a 10 MoA weapon will put its bullets into a 10" circle at 100yds, or a three foot circle at 360yds.

Thanks!

(Plus these additional letters to make the computer-machine go.)

Re: ACC. vs MOA.

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Originally Posted by Kromm

The ability to convey the shooter's precision to the shot plays as significant a role as mechanical precision in Acc. Considering only the mechanics won't work out very well for you when the game system slaps on ±1 for after-market add-ons like target grips, for using/not using a folding stock, and so on. Various "interface" issues can easily account for a two- or even three-point Acc difference on weapons with identical barrels, actions, iron sights, etc.

So, ACC does relate to MOA, before in game affects? If that is the case I could take into the account the mods to a weapon before converting it to in game (using one of the formulas above). Personalization of a weapon could be handled by Weapon Bond and/or simply be cosmetic (like in most of RL).

Re: ACC. vs MOA.

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Originally Posted by ukaries

ACC can relate to MOA, but is also significantly affected by other aspects (Stock, sights, etc). Basically, ACC is simply how easy it is to get the weapon aimed at a precise point. But really, the "groupings" of ACC are quite broad, so the minute details of MOA are probably too fine for the system. Just give it a baseline ACC based off other weapons of the type (ACC 4 for a carbine, 5 for a full-sized rifle, 6 for a full-sized sniper rifle, I think). Then tweak from there. Unless it's exceptional in some way (Fine or Very Fine), it's going to probably be at the same accuracy.

As for mods, it depends. Sometimes it's purely cosmetic, just because the person thought it'd help, or even just liked the looks of it. Sometimes it's helpful, especially for internal mods. For the most part, those ones are treated as making the weapon Fine or Very Fine, with the coresponding increase to ACC, though sometimes they affect other things (ROF, for example).

And sometimes it's just stupid. I remember some of your stories...

Re: ACC. vs MOA.

Thinks I got all I need to roll with it. Thanks for all of your sugestions.