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Captain Joy 06-23-2008 08:05 AM

Re: [SPACE] Star Generation
 
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Originally Posted by Noven
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Originally Posted by Captain Joy
It would be nice if the splash page included what the stellar types are (E.g. G2V) and if there is a garden world present, instead of just the names for the different stars.

You tell me an easy way to do that and I'll impliment that.

I didn't mean anything fancy; just add text. E.g.
Gamma Pavonis (30.1 light years from Earth)
would become
Gamma Pavonis (F6V, 30.1 light years from Earth, Garden)
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Originally Posted by Noven
Right now I imagine that it is quite easy to navigate, since you click on the star, and it has the planets listed out and what type of planet each one is.

That click is a deal breaker for people that might want to use your sight to hand pick habitable systems. It's not just one extra click, it's a click and a scroll down, followed by a reasonable effort so as not to accidentally miss the possible Garden Planet in a list--repeat several times until you get lucky and find one with a garden world.

Don't get me wrong: your site is excellent. If you don't care about making it useful to people who just want to hand pick garden world systems--or at least find them at a glance--then I wouldn't worry about it. But right now you have only nine stars; if you think you might want to add this information to the "Star Systems" listing, I'd add it now rather than later.

Noven 06-23-2008 09:10 AM

Re: [SPACE] Star Generation
 
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Originally Posted by Captain Joy
I didn't mean anything fancy; just add text. E.g.
Gamma Pavonis (30.1 light years from Earth)
would become
Gamma Pavonis (F6V, 30.1 light years from Earth, Garden)
That click is a deal breaker for people that might want to use your sight to hand pick habitable systems. It's not just one extra click, it's a click and a scroll down, followed by a reasonable effort so as not to accidentally miss the possible Garden Planet in a list--repeat several times until you get lucky and find one with a garden world.

Don't get me wrong: your site is excellent. If you don't care about making it useful to people who just want to hand pick garden world systems--or at least find them at a glance--then I wouldn't worry about it. But right now you have only nine stars; if you think you might want to add this information to the "Star Systems" listing, I'd add it now rather than later.

I'm not quite sure I want to single out systems with garden planets generated, since I mean, on Gamma Pavonis itself, there are 8 other planets there with different uses. I mean, some people will see Alpha Centauri B and think nothing about the planets, but about the asteroid belts that have better than average mineral wealth.

Pomphis 06-23-2008 09:39 AM

Re: [SPACE] Star Generation
 
Then mention that too. The long term problem is that if you roll up systems you end up with lots of M stars with nothing interesting orbiting them. If you then can see on a (by then) much longer list of stars which 10% are worth clicking at that will be a significant help.

Noven 06-23-2008 10:02 AM

Re: [SPACE] Star Generation
 
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Originally Posted by Pomphis
Then mention that too. The long term problem is that if you roll up systems you end up with lots of M stars with nothing interesting orbiting them. If you then can see on a (by then) much longer list of stars which 10% are worth clicking at that will be a significant help.

I see where you are going with this, but the fact remains that I am not creating a list of stars that are of "interest." I am statting out the stars that are progrssively further away from Sol :).

EDIT: Maybe something like this could be accomplished by some kind of mouse-over effect where it shows you what are in the orbits when you mouse-over on the main page, but I dont really see any practical way to do a quick peek that would make anyone happy, myself included.

Captain Joy 06-23-2008 10:37 AM

Re: [SPACE] Star Generation
 
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Originally Posted by Noven
I'm not quite sure I want to single out systems with garden planets generated, since I mean, on Gamma Pavonis itself, there are 8 other planets there with different uses. I mean, some people will see Alpha Centauri B and think nothing about the planets, but about the asteroid belts that have better than average mineral wealth.

A significant number of GM's and players want to know if a star system has a habitable planet--any other interests are frequently a distant second. (This is why GURPS Space has rules to generate planets and star systems that assume at the outset that a garden planet is present.) I assume, since you're making your significant efforts available to all, you'll want to make it as user friendly as reasonably possible. I assure you that most people would like to know at a glance which of those star systems have garden planets. For some people, it will be more important than its distance from Earth. E.g. some people will just drop them into a campaign and won't care what real star it's based on.

Is your intention is that people "purchase the entire album" and not just "buy a few singles"?

Noven 06-23-2008 10:55 AM

Re: [SPACE] Star Generation
 
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Originally Posted by Captain Joy
Is your intention is that people "purchase the entire album" and not just "buy a few singles"?

Actually, the intent was to share what I have done, and keep doing what I was doing :) (since selling what I had done would be explicitly against the Creative Commons license :P). I am doing it like this since I am making a TL 10 setting and what I was doing was what I had in mind for the setting. I may create some generic garden-based systems later on, but not until I have expanded to the nearby stars from about 20 light-years from Sol. Once I have that done, then I will branch out.

Captain Joy 06-23-2008 11:06 AM

Re: [SPACE] Star Generation
 
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Originally Posted by Noven
Actually, the intent was to share what I have done, and keep doing what I was doing :) (since selling what I had done would be explicitly against the Creative Commons license :P). I am doing it like this since I am making a TL 10 setting and what I was doing was what I had in mind for the setting.

Got it. But, you also said:
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Originally Posted by Noven
Anyhoo, enjoy (and feedback is ok too).

My feedback is that fewer people will enjoy if they have to access each system in order to find the 10% - 20% they find useful. Of course, you don't owe anybody anything and what you've delivered thus far is definitely cool.

pra 06-23-2008 11:52 AM

Re: [SPACE] Star Generation
 
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Originally Posted by Captain Joy
Solid.

It would be nice if the splash page included what the stellar types are (E.g. G2V) and if there is a garden world present, instead of just the names for the different stars.

Is this:

http://wiki.noventhehero.com/index.p...h=garden&go=Go

adequate?

Captain Joy 06-23-2008 04:30 PM

Re: [SPACE] Star Generation
 
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Originally Posted by pra

Hey, that's perfect!

If I might make a further suggestion. If I get to a planet via a link following a search, I can see all the planet info just fine. However, there is no link from that planet page that takes me to the planet's parent-star-system page.

Agemegos 06-23-2008 04:36 PM

Re: [SPACE] Star Generation
 
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Originally Posted by whswhs
I didn't find it hard to do white dwarfs. I generated the planets as of the condition of the solar system when the star was on the main sequence; then I looked at its two giant phases, figuring the temperatures of the planets that weren't simply engulfed by it, and the planetary types that resulted, and then at the temperatures they fell to when it reached its white dwarf phase.

How did you take account of the effect on the planet's orbits when the central star lost 10% to 60% of its mass in its supernova explosion?


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