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For those of you who intend to run a Dungeon Fantasy
campaign, how will you award Character Points?

I have never liked giving 1 or 2 generic CPs at the end of an adventure. I like giving them for specific successes or behaviors that I want to encourage within a particular genre.

I was thinking about giving 1 or more CPs for some of the following reasons:

• Teamwork
• No character deaths
• defeating key monsters
• completing a level
• collecting all of the treasure
• discovering all secrets

and others, what do you think?

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hmm, no bites. Oh well, next question.

If you were to use the above guidelines for DF, How many points would be the maximum you would grant per session/per adventure?

In other games, I have always granted from 1 to 5 pts depending on how well they moved the plot forward, cool stuff they accomplished, etc.

I want the cp awards to have a more AD&D feel how should I accomplish this?

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Is that going to be per session? or at the end of the entire dungeon? because if it's per session that's going to stack up to a lot of character points. I suspect that's going to feel a bit "monty haul" after a while.

If you want it to feel more like AD&D, have you considered giving out a 1/10th or 1/5th of a CP for defeating an encounter?

I would also go with letting the PC's rack up eeps, but not actually give them to the players to spend until they reach 15 or 20 eeps at a time. This would be closer to the "ding! level up!" feeling you get.

Personally I think that would defeat some of the point of doing it in GURPS, and you'd have to figure out if they can spend eeps "In the bank" on successes etc still.

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Well, sessions tend to be once a month or so, and campaigns rarely last more than a half dozen sessions these days. (Oh, how I miss the good old days when free time was in abundance and distractions were minimal.) So there is a disappointment factor when they get nothing at the end of a session. I prefer per session rewards for this reason.

I don't think we've ever played a gurps campaign long enough that point bloat became a factor.

Fractional CPs may be a possibility.

I am not averse to a "Hero Point" mechanic that burns CPs. But my players are very stingy with what they consider a rare and valuable commodity.

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I use a Hero/Fate/Luck point system that is tracked separately from their CPs. This gets them to spend them in game (instead of hoarding them for advancement). I like the idea of decimal CP awards. You could hand them out in hundredths (e.g. you gain .205 CP!). That would give you more D&D sounding numbers.

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This is a topic I'll be addressing in the third volume. No hints, sorry.

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Which topic was that again? *innocent*

heh

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Great. I can't wait for a brief summary of contents, but I know that isn't going to happen soon.

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Once I've finished the writing (this week), read it through for typos (ditto), showed it to my de facto editors (okay, I push the keys, but they find the errors), and received approval on the contents, I'll be happy to summarize DF 3 as I did DF 2. I just don't want to say "Oh, it'll have soap-wrestling rules!" and then have to renege.

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Soap-wrestling: Lost outtake from Martial Arts...

...And we're the poorer for it :\ :)

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Actually, we're not ;-). Look up Slippery, on p. B85.

Cheers,

M.

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I thought the soap wrestling was supposed to be in Cabaret Chicks on Ice. It's been moved :(.

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Well, if it did show up in DF 3, that would be sooner... silver lining, etc. ;)

It does seem like a strange place for it to end up, though *confuzzled*

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If you want to mimic the whole "killing-this-monster-gives-you-this-many-points" mechanic, I'd suggest taking the enemy's character points (wing it), dividing them by 100 or 1000, and hand that amount over to the player when you deem appropriate.

Make sure to keep track of the decimals; squashing enough 0.01-point rats will eventually get you the same amount as slaying one 2.5-point crushroom.

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That will break down when you have a monster with a -100 point racial template, but 105 points in combat worthy killing power. He'd be a 5 point monster. Setting up what you are talking about formally would take some effort to weed out the standard skills and advantages and leave just the DF relevant skills and advantages, but is doable.

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Anybody who thinks monsters will have point values in the DF series is smoking something interesting. :) That's way too much math for the goal of the series . . . and making GMs do math in play after each battle is even more evil. My guidelines in DF 3 aren't trivial but they are fast. Fast is good.

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I think CPs in DF 3 can be awarded by completing objectives (surviving the dungeon), using skills (disable traps), cancelling curses, killing some specific boss monster...

I'm not very sure, but it is posible DF CPs are going to be related with objectives in the dungeon, related to the skills and abilities of your character.

Anyway I'm only guessing.

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This really doesn't work, because points are a horrible way to determine how combat effective something is.

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I just saw GURPS News, and seemingly we have a name for DF 3: The Next Level:

"(...) For instance, Creatures of the Night 3 and Dungeon Fantasy 3: The Next Level are both very close to completion."

I'm sure it will be another great book, completing the first two DF books.

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What happened to the pithy single-word titles?

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I suppose for a more MMORPG feel, they could call it Dungeon Fantasy 3: DING!

O:>

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Heh, the caps are a nice touch :)

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We aren't tied to them, and never were. Also (dark secret), it's traditional for dungeon fantasy games to get stranger, harder-to-decipher titles as they release later volumes. Not that I'm thinking of specific games or books here.

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I don't know what you mean :|

Heh, I probably should have put a <rhetorical> tag on that earlier post... it wasn't really serious :) Still, the change in the naming pattern is slightly nettling... it's a pity about the a-pithy title *ig*

Might need my pithy helmet.

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Yeah, we know Monstrous Mystic Tome of Unearthed Thaumatology of Challenges from the Hellish Underdark isn't but the Dungeon Fantasy munchkinized version of Cabaret Chicks on Ice!

Oops... Of course I wish there will be more DF volumes released in the future.

What I did want to mean with the earlier post is I think this third volume will complet the basic foundation of the Dungeon Fantasy line.

Regarding the name, I can accept The Next Level (my first impression about it is... maybe a bit cold), if the working minds about they don't find another more... flavourful?

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That is GURPS Dungeon Fantasy 37: Dark Rituals of the Succubi of Hell's Eighth Plane.