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Re: Lose 2 levels even if you escape.

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Originally Posted by Acrux (Post 1101382)

If you fight the monster and win, what happens? Do you still lose the two levels making you end up at the same level as before your fight. Or do you gain two levels?

Thanks

This is the result of losing to the Monster, not just for facing it. If you were supposed to lose two Levels immediately, just for facing the Monster, that would be stated quite clearly (check out the Tongue Demon).

Re: Lose 2 levels even if you escape.

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Originally Posted by Kirt (Post 1101394)

Grax, does that specify that the level loss occurs before combat?

It is an immediate effect - M. Fu also has several monsters with instant effects that are not part of the bad stuff - just part of the monsters personality and take place immediately. ;)

Re: Lose 2 levels even if you escape.

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Originally Posted by MunchkinMan (Post 1101400)

so gaining two levels then! thanks for clarifying that, have done it wrong before!

cheers!

Re: Lose 2 levels even if you escape.

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Originally Posted by Kirt (Post 1101394)

Andrew ruled here that "If you die, you do not suffer ANY negative effects from monsters you haven't yet tried to run away from."

I would have laughed hysterically if you had linked to his actual post in this thread that says the same thing.

Re: Lose 2 levels even if you escape.

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Originally Posted by Nerftw (Post 1101424)

I would have laughed hysterically if you had linked to his actual post in this thread that says the same thing.

In this post, Andrew answered a question about "lose 2 levels even if you escape".
ArcadianRefugee followed this up by asking about a situation where "...lose 2 Levels if they fail to defeat it, even if they escape"

In this post, Andrew said "By dying to Asmodeus, she never had to try to Run Away from the wraith." In the post that I linked to, Andrew said "If you die, you do not suffer ANY negative effects from monsters you haven't yet tried to run away from." (i.e. negative effects that are not Bad Stuff, that will occur even if you successfully run away).

I considered them separate but related issues at the time I made the post.

However, reviewing the FAQ definition of defeat,
""defeating" a monster involves beating it in combat or removing it from play in such a way that you do not have to Run Away,"
I would have to admit that "lose 2 levels even if you escape" and "...lose 2 Levels if they fail to defeat it, even if they escape" mean exactly the same thing and thus my post was indeed redundant.

My apologies.

Re: Lose 2 levels even if you escape.

I wasn't intending to chastise you, sorry if it came off that way. I just found it amusing that I was expecting that link to go straight to the post in this thread.

Re: Lose 2 levels even if you escape.

I'm sorry, but I still have doubts with this, could you please answer the following questions?

FAQ stated:

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Originally Posted by FAQ

Q. King Tut and the Wight Brothers say "Characters of higher levels [than 3] lose 2 levels, even if they escape." Does that mean you lose two levels even if you defeat those monsters?
A. No. But if you cannot defeat them, then you must try to run away, and you'll lose the 2 levels even if you do escape. If they catch you, of course, you do suffer the Bad Stuff from those Monsters. (But you don't lose the two levels twice!)

I'm not sure what the phrase in bold means, could you please clarify it?

1. Suppose you're figthing with Space Probe (the character loses 2 levels if they fail to defeat it, and Bad Stuff is losing 2 levels, Armor and Headgear), and you lose the combat. What will be his negative effect if you fail the Run Away?
a) lose 2 levels, Armor and Headgear
b) lose 4 levels, Armor and Headgear

2. The same situation for Mr. Bones (lose 1 level if you fail to defeat it, and Bad Stuff is losing 2 levels). If you fail the Run Away, how many levels will you lose?
a) 2 levels
b) 3 levels

Is there a common approach for this situation?

3. If I fight King Tut and its Mate (or King Tut and Wight Brothers), do I have to lose 2 levels twice if I've failed to defeat them and successfully run away from both?
4. If I fight Space Probe and Its Clone (or, for example, Space Probe and King Tut), do I have to lose 2 levels twice if I've failed to defeat them and successfully run away from both?
Is this a common approach for the rest of monsters or the FAQ answer regards to King Tut and Wight Brothers only?

Re: Lose 2 levels even if you escape.

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Originally Posted by kotya (Post 1334916)

I'm sorry, but I still have doubts with this, could you please answer the following questions?

FAQ stated:

I'm not sure what the phrase in bold means, could you please clarify it?

1. Suppose you're figthing with Space Probe (the character loses 2 levels if they fail to defeat it, and Bad Stuff is losing 2 levels, Armor and Headgear), and you lose the combat. What will be his negative effect if you fail the Run Away?
a) lose 2 levels, Armor and Headgear
b) lose 4 levels, Armor and Headgear

2. The same situation for Mr. Bones (lose 1 level if you fail to defeat it, and Bad Stuff is losing 2 levels). If you fail the Run Away, how many levels will you lose?
a) 2 levels
b) 3 levels

Is there a common approach for this situation?

3. If I fight King Tut and its Mate (or King Tut and Wight Brothers), do I have to lose 2 levels twice if I've failed to defeat them and successfully run away from both?
4. If I fight Space Probe and Its Clone (or, for example, Space Probe and King Tut), do I have to lose 2 levels twice if I've failed to defeat them and successfully run away from both?
Is this a common approach for the rest of monsters or the FAQ answer regards to King Tut and Wight Brothers only?

I think the bolded stuff is there to indicate that you don't lose the two levels upon attempting to escape and then again in the bad stuff (as you consider the two levels to be part of the bad stuff).

Thus, in questions 1 & 2, it would be your second option, and in questions 3 & 4, given you run from each creature separately and Mates are separate creatures, then yeah, you'd lose 4 levels even if you escape from both.

Re: Lose 2 levels even if you escape.

so earlier in this thread munchkin man said you lose two levels and if you fail to run away that is further hardship. That is you lose two levels as well as the bad stuff. in the FAQ for two monsters it says you would not lose the two levels and further hardship of bad stuff. This seems to conflict unless it is clearly different wording on the cards so one can tell in which case you suffer both when failing to run away. Or is there something else I'm missing?

Re: Lose 2 levels even if you escape.

Andrew posted the update to that FAQ recently, so he can explain better what he was trying to say. At this point, I don't see a need for further conjecture until such time as he can weigh in.