Munchkin Bobblehead - Whose roll is it, anyway?
 

I've got a quick question on the Munchkin Bobblehead rules, and decided to make a new thread. The old thread went down the path of insanity. ;)

Let's say I reroll an opponent's die roll with my Bobblehead. Is this roll now considered to be my roll, or still my opponents? For example, who can target my Bobblehead's reroll with the Loaded Die card?

Does this mean that if I reroll my opponent's roll with my Bobblehead, am I the one who can use Loaded Die on it? If my opponent wants to change the Bobblehead's reroll, he would have to use Reloaded Die since Reloaded changes the result of a die that an opponent just rolled?

I'm pretty sure that I have this right, but it has just enough insanity to it that I wanted to double-check.

Thanks!

Re: Munchkin Bobblehead - Whose roll is it, anyway?
 

Was it ever established that you could reroll an opponent's die roll? I know you proposed it in the other thread, but I skimmed and didn't see anyone back it up. I wouldn't think that's legal. I would expect that the reroll only applies to a die you rolled in the first place.

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Yeah, that thread went down the wacky road of insanity rather quickly:
http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?t=32432

By reading the Bobblehead rules, it appears as though you can reroll ANY one die. I would assume that this means one die rolled by anyone.

If memory serves me correctly, the card Feline Intervention does something somewhat similar to what the Bobblehead does. It's likely not the exact same thing, but I should hunt that card out of my deck and look at its text as a possible reference.

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I'll save you the trouble:
Not quite the same thing. Again, I see in your first post you asked if that was correct, but I don't see anywhere in that thread that somebody officially said yes. If the Bobblehead would let you reroll someone else's roll, I would expect it to explicitly say that. It doesn't, so I assume it's only for your rolls.

My 2 cents.

Re: Munchkin Bobblehead - Whose roll is it, anyway?
 

Agreed. After all, it says "you may reroll one die", which you could not do unless you had rolled the die to begin with. IOW, if my opponent rolls the die and I pick it up and roll it myself, that seems like two separate rolls, to me.

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Ok, the fact that I agree with Rev. should let everyone know that I'm going to screw this up and be wrong. Not the Rev., just me. ;-)

I would say that this DOES NOT work like Re-loaded die. It should only affect your die roll. If they wanted you to be able to mess with other folks dice, they would have said "Reroll anyone's die roll" or something to that effect.

Pat

Re: Munchkin Bobblehead - Whose roll is it, anyway?
 

Hmm... Almost as if that one die was rerolled...

Re: Munchkin Bobblehead - Whose roll is it, anyway?
 

i have to agree with myopia here - it says you can reroll *any* die. And it doesn't meatter if someone else made the original roll - if a roll is superceded by a subsequant roll, i call that rerolling. The die has been rolled twice, and the second result replaced the first, it sounds like rerolling to me. By normal munchkin interpretations, it really should be any die roll - afterall, if a card said to play it on any combat, you wouldn't assume it was only for any of your own combats.

it seems reasonable to me. and munchkinly. but i do tend to be wrong on these things...

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Actually it says you can reroll one die. It doesn't say "*any*" die. From a metagaming standpoint, if some mechanic says I can reroll one die, I expect it to mean one of my die rolls. If the mechanic wanted me to mess with someone else's roll, I'd expect it to be spelled out.

This is Munchkin, and I see the line of thinking you're on, I just don't think that's the intention. Of course if it is, that army of Bobbleheads might not be so ridiculous anymore. ;-)

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i really fail to see what Original Intention has to do with Munchkin. A play can't be truly munchinly if it was envisioned by the game designers...