Free Malakim?
 

So what happens if a Malakite is freed of all their oaths?

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Well... I'd assume supperiors don't remove their core(ie starting) oathes, especially the 2 oathes that all malakim share (kill demons and never surrender). It would remove too much of their personality, they'd lose their driving force and their purpose in existance. Perhaps the unfornatue Malakim that this happened to would spend the rest of eternity slumped in front of the TV watching talkshows.

Or...
They lose all self control and go bang and heven spends the rest of the day cleaning bits of Malakim out of the carpet.

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I'd say... go to p. 50 and extrapolate from: "When a Malakite's oath expires [...] he must replace the oath immediately."

*makes a note to rend the APG even more than it's already marked up*

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If you want an alternate possibility you could have the Malakite simply stop being a Malakite if all oaths are removed. If it was originally another choir and became a Malakite it would revert to that choir, if it wasn't it would become whatever choir it was closest to (with the GM to determine what that means.)

It has no basis in canon, but if you think of the oaths as being what makes Malakim Malakim then take them away and maybe David would become a Cherub. If you don't think of the oaths that way then don't use this idea.

The real question is why would superior would want to take away a Malakite's oaths.

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There's nothing to indicate that it has to be an Angelic Superior...

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I did think about that - but Its hard for hell to get hold of a living malakim IMHO. The never give up/ surrender oath makes it hard to bring them in alive.

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A particularly sneaky Malakim (which I find hard to imagine, myself) could possibly loophole around the never give up/never surrender by switching sides, convincing himself that whatever specific demon (or Prince) he is talking to is not really Evil, therefore he isn't bound to his oath. In that case, the demon who has him convinced of this might arrange for the oaths to be removed.

Is there a way to forcibly remove a Malakite's oaths?

Re: Free Malakim?
 

The only way to forcibly remove things is by having the subject entirely in the Superior's control. (I was recently skimming the GMG...) Personally, I'd say that the core two Malakite Oaths don't come under the category of "things a Prince can touch" any more than a Prince could remove the dissonance conditions of a Seraph or Mercurian. (And the Malakite could likely re-swear the other two pretty quickly, so it's kind of pointless.)

They could take the Forces to Kronos and ask him to make them a Balseraph, please, though, and if the Ethereal Forces were in decent shape, there might be a lot of memory continuity... Good thing Kobal and Kronos aren't on good terms -- just think of the havoc potential.


*makes mental note to clarify the APG when the chainsaw is finally taken to it*

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In the default setting, I have a very hard time seeing this. In a setting with low contrast, where the two sides are not dissimilar, possibly.

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I also couldn't find anything that specifically precludes an Angel from, how might I phrase this, doing a Demon Prince's bidding. In any mixed campaign, or with any sufficiently cunning Demon, it is possible for an Angel to unknowingly do the work of Hell. How might the line between pawn and agent be crossed?

The idea came to me as I was dissecting the Revelations Cycle to see if there were any other stories that could be rendered from the carcass. I thought of one where other Malakim, like poor Maximilian, were undergoing experimentation at the hands of other Demon Princes. Lilith offering Freedom, Freedom itself isn't evil... The Game making a deal... Beleth dropping a hint... Vapula doing his thing...

Edit: After reviewing the thread "On Flowers" it occurred to me that some Angelic Superiors may want to customize their Malakim for different mission profiles.

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