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roguebfl 04-11-2012 05:59 PM

Re: Is a 5th Edition coming soon?
 
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Originally Posted by Flyndaran (Post 1351784)
That sounds more like not having lightning calculator than a quirk level disadvantage.

No it's a noticeable trend in a lot of people. At the lower grade basic cyphering like the multiplication tables more relies on rote memorization, those of us with the quirk simply can't answer quickly in the drill like the majority of the class as we have to stop and think the answer though were the rest of the class is bring up the answer from memorized values.

however when the basics are meant to have been learnt and calculator are allowed in class and the emnphise switches to problem solving the speed issue dissapears in the preformace level with the rest of the class. it not a problem learning math at all.
lightning calcultors can do algebraic equation at that speed level not just cycphering

Flyndaran 04-11-2012 06:18 PM

Re: Is a 5th Edition coming soon?
 
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Originally Posted by roguebfl (Post 1351785)
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however when the basics are meant to have been learnt and calculator are allowed in class and the emnphise switches to problem solving the speed issue dissapears in the preformace level with the rest of the class. it not a problem learning math at all.
lightning calcultors can do algebraic equation at that speed level not just cycphering

Basic algebra is just odd cyphering.

roguebfl 04-11-2012 06:23 PM

Re: Is a 5th Edition coming soon?
 
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Originally Posted by Flyndaran (Post 1351794)
Basic algebra is just odd cyphering.

and that is not on the level of algebraic equations.

Lord Carnifex 04-11-2012 08:19 PM

Re: Is a 5th Edition coming soon?
 
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Originally Posted by roguebfl (Post 1351785)
No it's a noticeable trend in a lot of people. At the lower grade basic cyphering like the multiplication tables more relies on rote memorization, those of us with the quirk simply can't answer quickly in the drill like the majority of the class as we have to stop and think the answer though were the rest of the class is bring up the answer from memorized values.

Exactly so in my case.

Alacrity Fitzhugh 04-12-2012 05:10 PM

Re: Is a 5th Edition coming soon?
 
This thread seems to have spiraled* out of control.

* a Fibonacci spiral, of course.

D10 04-13-2012 03:39 PM

Re: Is a 5th Edition coming soon?
 
I would be interested in a 5th edition for the same reason people playing D&D 3.X are interested in their 5th.

I still play the 3rd edition of gurps and would kind of feel better entering a new system knowing everyone is doing the same and we are all united (not that this isnt true for the 4th).

OTOH, 3rd edition is so good with a moderate ammount of house rules, I dont know if I will ever change

Kromm 04-13-2012 04:15 PM

Re: Is a 5th Edition coming soon?
 
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Originally Posted by D10 (Post 1352948)

I still play the 3rd edition of gurps and would kind of feel better entering a new system knowing everyone is doing the same and we are all united (not that this isnt true for the 4th).

That is, unfortunately, a perpetually unrealizable goal. There's no reason to believe that those who didn't switch from 1st to 2nd, 1st and 2nd to 3rd, or 1st through 3rd to 4th would jump from 1st through 4th to 5th. People who like an edition tend to stick with it, and as long as they accept "no new support" as a condition of doing so, that's cool. And newcomers might want their new edition, but keeping up with that is literally an impossible task.

What motivates a 5th edition is unlikely to be any kind of failing (real or perceived) in the 4th – or the 1st through 3rd – nor is it likely to be fan pressure. Most likely, if it happens, it will be tied to moving to new media. Rules may very well remain entirely unchanged, but simply be better-integrated and more easily found thanks to technology. We'll see (or not) . . .

DeDiceManCometh 04-20-2012 07:29 PM

Re: Is a 5th Edition coming soon?
 
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Originally Posted by Kromm (Post 1352974)
Most likely, if it happens, it will be tied to moving to new media. Rules may very well remain entirely unchanged, but simply be better-integrated and more easily found thanks to technology. We'll see (or not) . . .

Finally, all my carping about immediating the RPG in an online Content Management System has done some good. I wouldn't have guessed it from all the pushback I got everytime I piped up about it.

TorgSmith 04-20-2012 08:26 PM

Re: Is a 5th Edition coming soon?
 
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Originally Posted by DeDiceManCometh (Post 1357429)
Finally, all my carping about immediating the RPG in an online Content Management System has done some good. I wouldn't have guessed it from all the pushback I got everytime I piped up about it.

I don’t think Kromm is yelling “Incoming!!!” They have done it with the PDFs already by putting errata in for people to download again with the update.

One thing I worry about with new technologies is the concept of limited life. With the sheer volume of PDFs out there I feel somewhat confident that a PDF reader will be available during my life time (I am over half way through it already). I think PnP RPGs don’t have a limited life. While you may not want to play an older game, they are a wealth of ideas. The thought of not being able to go back and reread something for ideas is badong (Kung Pow! Bad and Wrong:).

dbm 04-21-2012 03:23 AM

Re: Is a 5th Edition coming soon?
 
People need to be careful what they wish for. We often talk about how the game company can't come into your home and either:
  • Tell you that you're doing it wrong
  • Take your books away
With online content this is exactly what they can do. I speak from experience with DnD 4e. I used to subscribe to the DDi which gave you the Character Generator web tool, and used it to generate all my characters given the amount of accumulated stuff which goes with a DnD 4e character. We didn't bother keeping up with errata, but we did start to notice that some of the power cards changed the next time we printed them out - they had been errata'ed and those changes implemented whether we wanted them or not. And it makes implementing house rules much more difficult when you are dependent on an electronic tool to make your characters.

Finally, lots of DnD players were bragging on-line that they had stopped buying the books as they got all the rules 'for free' in the DDi. What they had failed to grasp was that, Wizards will choose to turn that service off at some point (probably when 5e comes along soon) and at that point they will have nothing. DnD 3.x players can still use their books to play the game if they wish; the 4e crowd will be left with nothing in many cases.

So moving to a wholly (or even predominantly) on-line solution for delivering rules seems like nirvana, but it could be hell.


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