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Anders 08-05-2024 11:42 AM

Armored Wings?
 
With Winged Flight, is the default assumption that they can be armored or not? What would be the value of a trait that alters the default?

Anthony 08-05-2024 12:08 PM

Re: Armored Wings?
 
Absent limitations, the DR advantage applies to all locations, but whether you can wear armor is unspecified.

Anders 08-05-2024 12:12 PM

Re: Armored Wings?
 
I mean *wear* armor. And I really should have asked myself this question when I wrote Winged Folk... :embarrassed:

ravenfish 08-05-2024 01:01 PM

Re: Armored Wings?
 
Dungeon Fantasy 3 says, vis-à-vis Winged Elves, "wings cannot be armored; the options are leaving them exposed or folding them inside armor, making it impossible to fly." I don't know how much one can reliably generalize that, but it gives something concrete at least.

EDIT: From a realism standpoint, it makes sense to require wings to remain unarmored. Even a small amount of ice on an airplane wing can interfere with lift, and of course covering over feathers would have even worse effects.

whswhs 08-05-2024 01:39 PM

Re: Armored Wings?
 
A parallel is No Legs (Aquatic), where "If your mobility depends on fins, masts, paddles, or sails that you can't armor . . . -5 points." Wings would seem to be comparable.

Varyon 08-05-2024 01:41 PM

Re: Armored Wings?
 
Wings should be possible to armor by default; as they are crippled like Arms, I would use the same stats as Arm Armor for them (and with the same Armor Gap as the armpit; I'd further state this gap can only be targeted from the Side or Rear, assuming wings on the back). Armor for Small Wings should be around half the weight as armor for Wings. If your wings cannot be armored, that's a further Limitation; I'd be inclined to call it -15% on Winged (for a total of -40%) or -10% on Small Wings (total -20%).

Anthony 08-05-2024 02:39 PM

Re: Armored Wings?
 
Realistically wings should be impossible to armor without magic or ultratech, but the winged flight limitation isn't clearly priced for it (flight is oddly priced; it's very cheap for an exotic advantage that's as effective as it is).

There should probably be some sort of disadvantage for "can't wear armor (on location X)" but there currently isn't one.

Phil Masters 08-05-2024 03:04 PM

Re: Armored Wings?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 2534219)
Realistically wings should be impossible to armor without magic or ultratech, but the winged flight limitation isn't clearly priced for it (flight is oddly priced; it's very cheap for an exotic advantage that's as effective as it is).

I’m now flashing on the scene in Falcon and the Winter Soldier in which the Falcon demonstrates that his (technological) wings are not only bulletproof but can be used as a shield. Realism is a genre-related dial.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 2534219)
There should probably be some sort of disadvantage for "can't wear armor (on location X)" but there currently isn't one.

Shouldn’t be hard to assign one. It’s an Availability modifier, and GMs are trusted to assign those at whim.

Varyon 08-05-2024 03:15 PM

Re: Armored Wings?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil Masters (Post 2534220)
Shouldn’t be hard to assign one. It’s an Availability modifier, and GMs are trusted to assign those at whim.

... except there's no Cannot Wear Armor Disadvantage - instead, that's a Limitation that can be applied to a specific Advantage, Damage Resistance (which also means it's worth more the less impact it has on the character - someone with natural DR 1 would get more use out of being able to wear mail than someone with natural DR 20, but for the former the Limitation is worth [-2] - being -40% applied to [5] - while for the latter it's worth [-40] - being -40% applied to [100]).

WingedKagouti 08-05-2024 03:35 PM

Re: Armored Wings?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil Masters (Post 2534220)
I’m now flashing on the scene in Falcon and the Winter Soldier in which the Falcon demonstrates that his (technological) wings are not only bulletproof but can be used as a shield. Realism is a genre-related dial.

The wings themselves are armored (ie. they have DR [Partial: Wings]), he isn't wearing armor on top of natural wings.


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