How to kill a toxifier
 

Hi guys, the Toxifier in the Monster book has Unkillable 1 (Achille's Heel: Magical Weapons).
What does count as a magical Weapon?

Does a Weapon temporarily under the Flaming Weapon spell count?
Should magical damage from a fireball count?

Other related questions: was I correct or too lenient in ruling that the burning damage from a non explosive Fireball Spell would bypass the Diffuse Injury Tolerance?
And finally, does a toxifier at negative hp still roll each turn for uncosciousness? You know an unconscious Cloud of gas feels weird XD

It's my First Unkillable enemy and i'm a bit confused! Thanks

Re: How to kill a toxifier
 

Based on the description preferably a weapon with Affect Spirits, but probably intended to be any enchanted weapon.

Probably GM's call, but I would say yes. If for no other reason than Affect Spirits also being a temporary weapon buff, and clearly what is good for toxifier slaying.
No, not a weapon. I suppose you could broadly interpret missile spells as weapons, but I think this probably isn't the intent.

Not normally. See Exploits p. 55. Burning caps at 2 HP.
It lacks any trait that would say otherwise, but also remember it's a demon, not just a cloud of gas.

Re: How to kill a toxifier
 

Sir Pudding gives good advice above, but I just wanted to quickly remind you that Toxifiers still die at -100 HP no matter what, because they don't have Unkillable (Total). Really, the trait name "Unkillable" is a bit misleading.

P.S. Also remember that they drop to half Move (6) and half Dodge (5) when they're below 4 HP.

Re: How to kill a toxifier
 

The combination of HT 10 and diffuse makes the unkillable rather irrelevant; it's almost certainly going to drop unconscious before it would even start making death checks.

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What trait makes a creature immune to consciousness rolls?

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Supernatural Durability. Such as the Peshkali.

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Because you don't cast Affect Spirits for some reason?

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Seems strange that mindless undead like zombies and skeletons as well as constructs and some other stuff can be unconscious. I tend to add the ability to Unnatural.

Re: How to kill a toxifier
 

The usual reason would be not knowing the spell or not wanting to bother casting it (a single toxifier isn't worth spending 2 seconds and 4 fatigue). You can also cast Air Jet; a 1 fp casting will average 14 injury (it does 2d damage to vaporous creatures and the toxifier has x2 vulnerability....).

Re: How to kill a toxifier
 

I also allow Purify Air to hurt it, as it seems thematic. 2d6 per FP, +1d per extra FP spent to "do damage to the toxifier" (IE, extra FP not used to increase the area).

I allow the Higher Purpose of Holy Warriors to count as "an enchantment to affect insubstantial beings" of their enemy type, also the "Holy" enchantment. But they're Divine, so anything immune to Divine is also thereby immune.

Why? Because I once had a party with no Affect Spirits, and "enchanted weapons" do not harm toxifiers*. Ghostweapon would, but it's not in the Magic Items book, it costs the exact same as Accuracy and it just makes a weapon/ammo capable of affecting spirits (I also allow it to be enchanted on items to make bottles of 'ghost jail' and 'ghost cuffs", etc).


* "... but weapons enchanted to affect spirits or insubstantial entities bypass this and do damage normally." So any old enchantment will not do, it's specifically enchantments to hit spirits or insubstantial.

Re: How to kill a toxifier
 

Sure they do. Toxifiers are diffuse, not incorporeal, so every whack with a sword is 2 wounds.

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But there's an 83% chance the Toxifier will successfully dodge your Air Jet, assuming it can Retreat. Or it might just straight-up avoid you with its Move 12.

Air Jet really isn't all that good against toxifiers unless you combine it with a control spell.

Re: How to kill a toxifier
 

No, I mean, "enchanted weapons" don't bypass the toxifier's Diffuse. Only weapons specifically enchanted to Affect Spirits or incorporeal beings. So your Accuracy and Puissance +1 sword at most does 2 damage per whack.

Re: How to kill a toxifier
 

Toxifiers have no ranged attacks. If it's staying out of reach it's harmless and someone can shoot it with arrows until dead.

Re: How to kill a toxifier
 

Correction: if it's staying out of reach of the guy with Air Jet, it's harmless to the guy with Air Jet. In the common case though where there's more than one character around, it's not harmless to the others unless they are in Fireball Formation with the Air Jet guy.

(Though to be fair, the toxifier's damage is also pretty weak.)

Re: How to kill a toxifier
 

1) "Staying out of reach" is controlled by the PCs. Being good upright people they are all wearing holy symbols, right? The Toxifier has a Dread of blessed objects.

2) Affect Spirits deals with Insubstantial, not Diffuse (unless DFRPG changed that).

Re: How to kill a toxifier
 

It's a Toxifier-specific rule.

"Notes: Hard to injure due to being Diffuse, but weapons enchanted to affect spirits or insubstantial entities bypass this and do damage normally. Unwilling to negotiate. Truly evil."