Re: Cost of living and Create Food
 

Okay. You spend a week in town. Roll to cast Create Food 21 times. If you fail, roll again until you succeed. If you critically fail, I'll roll 1d on the following critical spell failure table:

1. You set the inn on fire.
2. The spell spoils all the grain in the village's storage.
3. A giant made of marshmallows is summoned in the town square.
4. The local noble's 15-course banquet has every course replaced by Created Food.
5. You immediately lose 2d FP to hunger. These FP recover at the rate of 3/day so long as you get three meals.
6. You take 1d HP of injury as the meal creates itself from your own flesh.

As others have said, if you're running by DFRPG RAW then 'whether you get your food from the inn's stewpot or by praying for it' is below the game's resolution; pay your $150/wk upkeep and move on. If you want the extra resolution, keep in mind that you're rolling for this spell three times per day per person you're feeding, and critical failures suck.

Re: Cost of living and Create Food
 

7 rolls at most. Even the base df cleric can spend 9 fat to create 3 meals out of rocks or dirt. 8 with 15 skill. Granted, this is per pc.

Most of your crit examples sound more like revenge for trying to use abilities to mitigate some game-mandated costs than reasonable crit failure results. Do you commonly set off explosions in a dungeon for 1 crit failure?

Re: Cost of living and Create Food
 

Given how rarely critfails actually happen? Yes. I mean, two of those are directly off of the official spell critfail table - "summon a monster" and "take 1d hp of injury" - but in general my policy is to treat spell critfails seriously, because the groups I play in very much tend to lean in favor of metagame currency to never critically fail in the first place.

Maybe as general advice I'd go a little less hard, but only a little. I like memorable spell critfails.

Re: Cost of living and Create Food
 

I also think that a Cleric of Good that exploits his divine gifts for pure selfish reasons actually DESERVES such critical fails.

Re: Cost of living and Create Food
 

Everything else are RULINGS made by the DM. If you think that rulings are "nonsensical" because you don't have a book telling you what to do or not do, then maybe you've got the wrong mindset and you should reconsider.

Re: Cost of living and Create Food
 

You forget two HUGE DISADVANTAGES that comes from "living in the wilderness".

1) the risk of starting the next crawl with 1d damage.
2) no access to "in-town" activities.

The RAW is quite binary. Either you are in town and then YOU PAY FOR THE PRIVILEGE, or you aren't.

Any shade of "gray" here really stretches the DFRPG abstraction, and it's easily handled by some kind of ruling/justification that still allow to keep create food AND the verisimilitude together.

The worst possible approach, IMO, is just say "it's RAW". And by the way, even if we decide for a more realistic approach, critical spell failure and the moral responsability implied by a Power Investiture in a God of Good are very realistic reasons to why I won't discount even a single dime without the possibility of severe consequences.

Re: Cost of living and Create Food
 

I didn't forget. See the following paragraph, re-quoted below. Emphasis not in original.

The possibility of dying messily while everyone else is in town is one possible consequence of living in the wilderness.

Re: Cost of living and Create Food
 

I'm starting to think that some people here are just trolling.
"the moral responsabilities" of creating food? To eat? Because you're hungry?
And using a divine spell that creates food to create food is now "exploiting your divine gifts".
you guys must be trolling lmao

Re: Cost of living and Create Food
 

I was searching about this subject and found this topic.

Dungeon Fantasy 2 says:

p. 4:
"Starving: If nobody succeeds, the GM can say “A week passes,” dock everyone $150 for cost of living, and let them try again."

p. 15:
"each week the party stays in town (at $150 apiece for food and lodging)" (emphasis added)

So food is clearly part of the $150/week cost to live in a town. So if a delver can use magic to create his own food (and it doesn't matter if it's delicious like Essential Food or just edible like Create Food), he won't spend as much as the other delver who needs to buy food.

The question is: How much of that $150/week is for food (the 3 meals per day) and how much is for lodging? The book doesn't say, but we can have an idea because DF1 (p. 23) says that Rations cost $2. That's a total of $6 per day and $42 per week.

Re: Cost of living and Create Food
 

If you are going to do it this way, and going to GURPS, the costs for eating out are probably better than for field rations. Since this a DFRPG thread I won't go into detail, but this works at out to $84 (for three Status -1 meals over seven days).

But this is, IMO, way too much detail for DFRPG. I would just either:

1. Treat this as Crafting, reducing it to $120 on a success and increasing it to $165 on a failure.
2. Allow Create Food as a Complimentary roll on Urban Survival and allow you to just pay nothing.