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*hands you a cookie*

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BTW, in your opinion, is the list actually useful to anybody?

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TIUT = That’s Incredibly Useful, Thanks! :)

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well with e23 taking a bigger role....

POD =Print on Demand

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frex=for example

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Yes. I have looked some things up. And I have sent the link to several people who were confused by my forumspeak.

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Same here. I had to come here to find out what QFT meant :)

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what is "RSG"?

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There were a few I did not know, and I think this list is a good resourse for newbies. (Fourum/Posts &/or GURPS)

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can you show us context, please?

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"Yes, they are- GURPS Traveller: Humaniti p.30. FYI in another thread I brought up the fact that when they were first mentioned, I think in Supplement 3:The Spinward Marches , the implication was that their high TL was due to their own merits. Now it seems to have become widely held as canon that the high TL is due to pockets of sparse, aging ancient artifacts. I don't know that I like that, I always thought of the Darrians as the Vulcans of Traveller, one of my first PCs was a Darrian character, Solanada, who, admittedly, was kind of a Spock clone (hey, in my defense I was 12 when I created him, and I was smitten with Mr Spock). IMTU they held rationality and reason above emotion, and had disciplines by which the mind could be strengthened and emotion purged, like the Vulcans. I'm thinking of bringing Solanada back in my current Kinunir/Twilight's Peak/RSG trilogy campaign as an NPC that gives technical/scientific advice to the PCs. Nothing wrong with a cliche in a game- a cliche can be a GMs best friend. What'd ya'll think?"

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FWIW = for what it's worth

It is strange that the list doesn't have this one - if I missed it sorry for the repost.

Cheerio!

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Research Station Gamma: an old CT adventure.

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Obviously this is nowhere near generic enough to be put on the first page.

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I wouldn't expect you to. I was just answering cindi's question (she probably should have just PM'd the poster (Gamergirl?) rather than asking here anyway; from context it's clear it's part of the the Twilight's Peak campaign which is how I figured it out).

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Wee-hee! 10k views. Seems like this one is quite popular. Worthy of the VpP contest in that other thread. ;)

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Since [[http://www.sjgames.com/gurps/abbrevs.html]] doesn't contain it, I ask here: What's the abbreviation for GURPS Powers?

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There isn't one. No 4th Edition book has a page abbreviation (except for the Basic Set); any reference to a 4th Edition book will now either give a full title & page - "p. 147 of GURPS Powers" - or simply say "See chapter XXXX in GURPS YYYY."

That said, we use abbreviations in GCA because it's *FAR* more convenient when printing out long lists of traits on a character sheet when you want to include the page numbers.

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Then why page MA50 (right column, last paragraph) says
which obviously refers to the Fourth Edition Basic Set?

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...except for (references to) the Basic Set... no 4e book has it's own page abbreviations.

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That's sad and bad.

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It was an editorial nightmare as more books got printed, with newer editions or revised editions changing page references throughout a dozen different books. The abbreviation codes also got less and less intuitive as more and more books were printed. It's an understandable decision to not want to go through that again.

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OK, then. I'll still miss them *silent*weep* :)

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I miss them too. Badly.

We can make our own for the forum. My proposals so far:

IW: Infinite Worlds
ISW: InterStellar Wars
F: Fantasy
BS: Banestorm
S: Space (as per 3e)
SU: Supers (as per 3e)
P: Powers (needs a one-letter acronym due to being used frequently).
TPI: Traveller Psionic Institutes
Bi and Bii: Basic Set books when needing the distinction but ignorant of the page number.
MA: you know it.

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Not too bad an idea, but for something that unofficial, we should open a new thread.

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As if my abbreviation list is official . . .

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The current list of abbreviations I'm using in GCA is:

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I'm going to have a gripe about abbreviations for ammunition types in Ultra-Tech, some of which aren't immediately obvious and only yield up their secrets on a close reading of the text. CL and CLP were particularly frustrating until I spotted a ref to "caseless long rifle" rounds at the end of the conventional guns section (p136), as they weren't explained where they were introduced and aren't indexed.

So far I've figured out-
CL- caseless long
CLP- caseless long pistol
CLR- caseless long rifle
PC- plastic-cased (for shotgun-style ammo)
PLB- pre-loaded barrel
G- grenade, I presume, although I'm not sure why the Portable Rail Gun (p141/142) is listed as 10mmG when the text says it fires slugs
N- needler (that was an easy one)
T- tangler (likewise)

Abbreviations for gun names are more explicitly stated, so I won't go into them, but I had some 30 minutes frustration trying to scan the text, weapons tables, index, Basic Set, etc, for a summary of these ammo types.

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Thanks for posting those on the front page, Molokh.

As I've had a reply from the esteemed David Pulver-dono graciously correcting an erratum, could you change one line in the entry?

Where it says it might be better to say-
G- grenade (note that Portable Rail Gun (p141/142, and the ammunition table p143) is listed incorrectly as 10mmG, where it should be just 10mm).

Thanks and onya.

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Two acronyms I couldn't seem to find listed would be:

TK Telekinesis

PK Psychokinesis


But PK is listed in Characters so it may not count. : /

Re: GURPS Forum Abbreviations: help the newbies?
 

Something that popped up in the "A few fencing questions" thread:

RWW - the Relative Weapon Weight rule in Martial Arts 4e

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Wow! Somebody's still reading it [my abbrevlist]. :)

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Whats MuP?

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TDM = Task Difficulty Modifier

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QC = Quick Contest
Last seen on Kromms' campaign recap.

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Here is a question I have. What about the e23 titles? Spaceships 4e and the new Gurps: Dungeon Fantasy Adventures are those going to have official abbreviations?

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There isn't an official list, but let's make an unofficial one:

B == Basic Set 4th Edition
BS == Banestorm
BIO == Bio-Tech
DR == Dragons
F == Fantasy
IW == Infinite Worlds
LoT == Lands Out of Time
L == Lite 4th Edition
M == Magic
MA == Martial Arts
MY == Mysteries
P == Powers
S == Space
SU == Supers
TS:CT == Transhuman Space: Changing Times
ISW == T:IW == Traveller: Interstellar Wars
UT == Ultra-Tech

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SEALs in Vietnam is missing. I suggest SiV for it.
And HT for High-Tech.

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FDA for Fantasy Dungeon Adventures?

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Considering that the title of the book is Dungeon Fantasy: Adventures... DFA.

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Updated. And that one too.

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Would "BT" also work for Bio-Tech?

Also, let's not forget Spaceships and the upcoming Dungeon Fantasy: Dungeons. SP or SS for the former, DFD for the latter?

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IMO SS is better; DFD is obvious. I dislake BT, since the three-letter one makes things more obvious without looking it up here.

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I agree, especially on the BIO vs. BT.

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Isn't "BT" the abbreviation for "Blood Types"? I know that's a 3e book, but the connotation lingers...

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According to this page, Bio-Tech has two official abbreviations, BIO and BT; however, BT is also Blood Types (a book for Gurps 3rd ed.). So my guess is Bio-Tech used BIO for 1st edition (for GURPS 3rd ed.) , and BT for 2nd edition (for GURPS 4th ed.).

Would someone connected to SJGames either confirm or deny this?

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Note that for 4th Edition the only official abbreviation is the B for Basic. All other references in 4E books use the full name. This is for clarity (is BT Biotech or Blood Types?) and ease of use. In 3E some of the later abbreviations were very non-intuitive while others fit several books equally well. The end result was people had to look up the abbreviation to see which book it referred to. Which defeats the purpose of using abbreviations.

That said, I'd go with BIO for Bio-Tech.

JeffM

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The header on the section here says unofficial.

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A general use one that I was recently reminded of: IBTL (In Before The Lock).

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How often does that come up?

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I know. But Eddie was asking SJG for the official abbreviation for Bio-Tech.

JeffM

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And what does it mean?

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That someone managed to post fast enough for avoiding one of the Great Old Ones' threadlocks?

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Not as often as it could be, I suppose... perhaps a bit of social commentary ;)

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Good point. Make it so, Ensign.

JeffM

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GURPS Abbreviations are traditionally written all-uppercase. In fact, 4e seems to enforce it. ;)

Besides, I'm against GCA. I'm for GCB.

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GURPS Abbreviations are traditionally confusing, too. Some traditions are meant to be forgotten.

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"Unofficial" tradition? <raises eyebrow>

heh

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Bio looks better than BIO.
Besides, you already have LoT on the list.

BTW, EP for Energy Pool/Points and ER for Energy Reserve.

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Looks ambiguous IMO.
Okay, that's a point.

Isn't that one really easy to come by by reading the RAW?

P.S. Okay, that was snarky. I'm just angry tonight: since my last post I was busy reinstalling my OS. My WinXP refesed to boot for some reason (mid-boot) but nooo, they don't have a step-by-step confirmation in XP like they had in older versions. Once I reinstalled XP, it screwed up the MBR and now GRUB (and thus GNU/Linux) fails to load. So now I'm working on a not-quite finished installation of a window with all that implies. So much for playing C&C today . . .

I'll add ER.

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Maybe we should hyphenate: Bio-5, or B-52 with (the) Extra Arms.

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Made some minor additions. Anything else I should include?

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The opening sentence should be modified slightly:
"By the way, do not hesitate to comment on the list..."
.................................................. ....^^^^

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IIRC, officially 4e only abbreviates the Basic Set. All other 4E books are supposed to be written as their full title (in bold italics) e.g. " See GURPS Cabernet Chicks on Ice page 23"

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Well, that was the irony. B is always capitalized. IIRC, 3e had some stray lowercases.

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IMNSHO = In my not so humble opinion

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People in my playtest group are using the term [AAR] in the subject line, seemingly to indicate their playtest results?

Can anybody clue me into what that means? I didn't see it mentioned here:
http://www.sjgames.com/pyramid/login...est-rules.html

(Edit: I'm guessing "After Action Report"?)

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Dunno for sure, but in context, that looks right. When I use AAR, I mean At Any Rate.

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These aren't -abbreviations- (instead, they're general terms) but they need to be addressed:

Realistic: Technical terminology, as described in the Campaigns book.
Cinematic: Ditto.

Seriously, given the degree of communication failure that these words can cause, I'd rather not have to scare-quote them every time I use them.

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You are correct, sir!

A few from a survivalist forum I'm on which could be useful as generic gaming ones:

SHTF: Organic fertilizer strikes the rotary ventilation device (Things are bad, but localized)
EOTWAWKI: End Of The World As We Know It (Things are bad everywhere)
BOB: Bug Out Bag (Gear & chow for the three days it'll take for help to arrive after the SHTF.)
BOL: Bug Out Location (Where you bug out to)
BOV: Bug Out Vehicle (What you bug out in)
BOx: Bug Out (Noun), where the noun is something related to getting out of dodge when things go bad. Has been known to get rather silly with things like BOAT for "Bug Out Altoid Tin" for a homemade mini survival kit.
BUG: Back-Up Gun
FAK: First Aid Kit
INCH Bag: I'm Never Coming Home Bag (For when it's the EOTWAWKI, and help won't be coming in three days...)

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"IDHMBWM" could get trimmed down to "AFB" (Away From Books).

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AFB is an obscure acronym used by new forumites. ;)
I added IDHMBWM because people actually use it.

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Well, like anything else, it can be spread around by use.

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You could add this one to the list:

CotN (Creatures of the Night)

:)


---Scott
P.S. Is there an established abbreviation for Psionic Powers or Pyramid magazine?

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On Metafilter, this one comes up a lot:

tl;dr (too long; didn't read)

Has that abbreviation appeared in these forums yet? Maybe it has in the general discussion section.


Two that came up during the playtest for GURPS Horror, Fourth Edition:

GH4e
KH (Ken Hite)

The former is longer than "GH" or "H," but it's easier to decipher. The latter isn't really necessary, but it signifies Ken's status among GURPS fans.
---Scott

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yes and the person got told off. This is one that is not used here, simple because the behaviour it represents is not condoned.

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I have never seen any of these used on these forums.

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I've never heard any of them used on forums at all (and I've been on a lot of forums).

I've never heard them use at all before.

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I thought "TL,DR" meant "Too long, didn't read" and was typically posted to snarkily complain about someone else's wall of text. However lately I'm seeing it more and more outside of that context like here. What is that supposed to mean?