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Saint 07-10-2022 09:05 PM

Jab attacks and facing
 
Looking at ITL p. 112, the rules state that a pole weapon can make a jab attack at an opponent in the hexes marked Z, and this attack follows the line along the edge of the hexes between the attacker and the target. What happens if that line falls right where the target's front hex and side hex meet? Should the attacker get the +2 bonus for an attack from the side, or not?

So far, I've just been giving the defender a break if they are getting beaten to a pulp, but that's not very consistent and the pressure is on to make a house rule.

How do you handle it?

hcobb 07-10-2022 09:11 PM

Re: Jab attacks and facing
 
An ordinary human has two hexes on the map that are side hexes and one rear hex. No other hexes on the map at any range count as these.

Axly Suregrip 07-10-2022 09:44 PM

Re: Jab attacks and facing
 
Hi Saint,
I treat it as Front hex. That is, when it is between front and side.

The reasoning I use is when a person is throwing or missile two hexes away at these hexes, they are considered in front of the shooter. See the diagram on ITL pg 106.

Steve Plambeck 07-11-2022 04:57 AM

Re: Jab attacks and facing
 
Another way to look at it: there should be NO bonus for facing unless the attacker is actually standing in/attacking from the target's own side or rear hexes.

Shostak 07-11-2022 06:26 AM

Re: Jab attacks and facing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Plambeck (Post 2442488)
Another way to look at it: there should be NO bonus for facing unless the attacker is actually standing in/attacking from the target's own side or rear hexes.

By this do you mean that a 2-hex jab coming through a target’s rear hex face doesn’t get a +4DX adjustment, since the attacker is not standing in the hex adjacent to this face?

Saint 07-11-2022 08:12 AM

Re: Jab attacks and facing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hcobb (Post 2442441)
An ordinary human has two hexes on the map that are side hexes and one rear hex. No other hexes on the map at any range count as these.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Plambeck (Post 2442488)
Another way to look at it: there should be NO bonus for facing unless the attacker is actually standing in/attacking from the target's own side or rear hexes.

Aaaah. Classic case of overthinking the situation. Thank you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shostak (Post 2442500)
By this do you mean that a 2-hex jab coming through a target’s rear hex face doesn’t get a +4DX adjustment, since the attacker is not standing in the hex adjacent to this face?

Yeah, that seems fair. You wouldn't get the bonus if you made a missile attack from two hexes away. The advantage for the jab is your opponent needs to find a way to close the distance with you, if they are able.

Thanks again, everyone.

hcobb 07-11-2022 10:18 AM

Re: Jab attacks and facing
 
ITL 106: "A physical attack made from an enemy’s side hex"


Note that it is not "through the target's side hexside"

Shostak 07-11-2022 10:31 AM

Re: Jab attacks and facing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Saint (Post 2442513)
Yeah, that seems fair. You wouldn't get the bonus if you made a missile attack from two hexes away. The advantage for the jab is your opponent needs to find a way to close the distance with you, if they are able.

To be clear, I'd argue that the jab benefits from a facing adjustment.

Steve Plambeck 07-12-2022 02:40 AM

Re: Jab attacks and facing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Shostak (Post 2442539)
To be clear, I'd argue that the jab benefits from a facing adjustment.

And yet, a missile attack from 2 hexes away is virtually a very high speed jab, but it gets no bonus for facing; that's the paradox if the jab gets the bonus.

The real problem is the 2-hex jab was added later, after Melee was tested, tweaked and published, and it really isn't compatible with the hexagon-based facing rules as originally conceived. No other regular attack can be made along the line between hexes, so it's a special case that has to be ruled on.

Shostak 07-12-2022 04:57 AM

Re: Jab attacks and facing
 
An attack coming along a hex line isn’t a problem, since which attacks count as coming from the front is already well established by the target hexes one can shoot or throw a weapon into. If a given hex is visible to your front, attacks from that hex are made through one of your front hex sides.


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