DFRPG Spell Charts
 

I know I'm not the first person to bring this up, but I find creating wizards in GURPS extremely painful without help from GURPS Magic: Spell Charts. I recently sat down to try to figure out how many places there are where DFRPG's prerequisite chains deviate from GURPS Magic, and the number not only appears to be non-trivial, and there's not a clear pattern to them. There are cases where a spell's prerequisites changed because one of the prerequisites was dropped AFAICT for just not being that useful—but these often leave me wondering why the spell further down the chain was kept (for example, why was Copy kept but not Dye?) There are also cases where spells were made cleric and/or druid only, but again without a clear pattern. Notably, these cases don't match the suggestions in the old "Wizardry Refined" Pyramid article.

So I'm left wondering if anyone ever got around to making a version of Spell Charts for DFRPG, or at least a list of cases where prerequisites have been changed. I've started work on such a project but it looks rather daunting honestly. (I've been going alphabetically and I've gotten as far as "ethereal body".)

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Occurred to me that it would be at least a start if I posted my notes on differences between standard magic and "Wizardry Refined":

• I count seven spells that have multiple prerequisite paths in standard magic, but get narrowed down to a single path in wizardy refined: alter visage, beacon, control creation, fear, lend energy, sense danger, and teleport shield.
• I count eight spells that needed prerequisites changed because there was no path to them that didn't pass through a forbidden spell: atmosphere dome, blink, divination (astrology and extispicy only), geyser, hide object, sanctuary, steal energy, and zombie.
• Finally, "Wizardry Refined" omits Magery 1 as a prerequisite for Recover Energy—though I wonder if this was a mistake, since this change was not carried over into DFRPG.

I put this list together by looking at the principles that are supposed to underly "Wizardry Refined" and skimming Spell Charts for cases I knew would require changed prerequisites. It's possible I missed some stuff, especially if Kromm failed to follow his own rules, but I've made a few wizards using Spell Charts and "Wizardry Refined" side-by-side and changed prerequisites honestly seem pretty uncommon, so sixteen total changes feels plausible.

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Found a small handful of other cases where "Wizardry Refined" differs from standard magic. Reshape (edit: also lend language and possession) falls into the "fewer options, but no new ones" category, while frost, ice slick, rain of ice daggers, and vigor all got new methods for meeting their prerequisites.

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Thanks for bringing this up again! I'd enjoy working on DFRPG spell charts, but I have no idea when I'd get the time.

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I haven't managed to do a comprehensive review of DFRPG vs. Wizardry Refined yet, but my impression is that the differences between DFRPG and Wizardry Refined are greater than the differences between Wizardry Refined and Standard Magic. I think the reason is that Wizardry Refined was uninterested in removing spells from the game, just clarifying what spells are exclusively for various other types fo casters, DFRPG cut massive numbers of spells on the grounds of being unbalanced or irrelevant. It's been a long time since I've used GCA (I'm primarily a Mac user), but maybe I can do something clever with GCA files and a Python script? I'm not sure.

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Update: I've successfully done some data munging on GCA files, though initially I decided to focus on identifying spells that remain the exclusive domain of mana-based casters at least as of "Wizardry Refined". I'm pretty confident I can extract prerequisites, but the regex will be hairier, so it might take me awhile.

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I have been successful at extracting prerequisites from GURPS: Magic. I haven't been so successful at extracting them from the unofficial DFRPG GCA files. Here's the regex I'm using, if any fellow coders want to try to figure out what I'm doing wrong:
Edit: FWIW, that regex seems to be successfully getting the first spell, alphabetically, from each college. I have no idea why.

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I expect it's doing a greedy match and thus finding the last instance of Prerequisites.

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Ah, thanks, was able to fix the issue. Okay, here's a hopefully-complete list of spells whose prerequisites changed between GURPS: Magic and DFRPG. I have put a * by spells that merely lost one of several ways of qualifying for them:

• Create Air*
• Nauseate
• Vigor
• Lend Language*
• Possession*
• Purify Earth
• Resist Fire*
• Far-Tasting*
• Phase*
• Trace Teleport
• Lend Energy*
• Simple Illusion
• Blur*
• Copy
• Mapmaker
• Fear*
• Sickness
• Blink
• Blink Other
• Ethereal Body*
• Entrap Spirit
• Bladeturning*
• Sense Danger*
• Teleport Shield*
• Message
• Silver Tongue
• Frostbite

In a few cases, changes to prerequisites are very minor, e.g. Simple Illusion losing "no blindness" as a prereq. Also, I'm unsure how to classify Gift of Letters and Gift of Tongues—in both cases "three languages at Accented" was changed to "three languages", but then in DFRPG characters are essentially required to take languages at Native if they take them at all.

I like a lot of the changes DFRPG makes to GURPS, but in this case, I'm not sure I would want to port a lot of these changes back to GURPS Dungeon Fantasy. A lot of the changes seem driven by the imperative to cut spells for space. Given that I own GURPS Magic, I don't see a compelling reason not to use it in full in my games.

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A list of spell changes for wizards.

Example: Vigor [Frailty] +[Might] -[Lend Vitality]

This means Vigor used to be available either by having Frailty OR Lend Vitality, and now it is available via Frailty OR Might.

Changes for clerics and druids are omitted because they're obvious (no prereqs except PI now). I didn't generally note changes from M1 to BT1, but for spells that have changed in other ways I noted BT.