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Flyndaran 01-03-2021 02:03 PM

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A lot of futuristic settings are over populated and/or have expansive nature preserves. Either of those would make reduced land area required for power quite desirable.

Agemegos 01-03-2021 05:26 PM

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I understand that you can used the land under a large microwave rectenna for other purposes, as the rectennas are rather open structures and block little rain or sunlight, and are light enough to suspend well above the ground.

martinl 01-03-2021 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by martinl (Post 2361199)
Orbiting gigawatt blasts are better for gaming mind you.

... if you have enough power sats you can redirect them to all aim at the same place, can't you?

Fred Brackin 01-03-2021 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by martinl (Post 2361248)
... if you have enough power sats you can redirect them to all aim at the same place, can't you?

If individually you had powersats that could deliver energy in concentrations equal to half of sunlight (though in longer wavelengths) aiming 10 powesats at the same area would enable you to boil water 5x as fast as leaving it out in normal sunshine.

Giant death rays are actually quite hard to build.

Anthony 01-03-2021 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Fred Brackin (Post 2361282)
If individually you had powersats that could deliver energy in concentrations equal to half of sunlight (though in longer wavelengths) aiming 10 powesats at the same area would enable you to boil water 5x as fast as leaving it out in normal sunshine.

It would actually be decently dangerous, but so is taking control of the power supply of a small country...

Rupert 01-04-2021 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Agemegos (Post 2361243)
I understand that you can used the land under a large microwave rectenna for other purposes, as the rectennas are rather open structures and block little rain or sunlight, and are light enough to suspend well above the ground.

I remember a scene in one novel, where the protagonists are moving through a rectenna's 'shade' and it's being used as grazing for cows.

AlexanderHowl 01-04-2021 12:50 AM

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The best use is vegetable and fruit crops actually. The wire mesh can be placed 8' above the ground and they absorb ~100% of the microwaves, though only 80% gets turned into electricity (20% into waste heat). With the waste heat, you can grow vegetables and fruits outside of their normal growing season (while you could also do it with grains, grains are less profitable than vegetables and fruits).

Rupert 01-04-2021 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by AlexanderHowl (Post 2361295)
The best use is vegetable and fruit crops actually. The wire mesh can be placed 8' above the ground and they absorb ~100% of the microwaves, though only 80% gets turned into electricity (20% into waste heat). With the waste heat, you can grow vegetables and fruits outside of their normal growing season (while you could also do it with grains, grains are less profitable than vegetables and fruits).

Depending on the design, you might not be able to fit harvesters between the rectenna supports, and people might be unwilling to work under them, for fear of being 'nuked', no matter the truth of the matter. Also, you can run cattle on land that's unsuitable for market gardens (and sheep on even worse land).

The point is, you can get dual-use out of the land by farming it with whatever works best on that land as well as having the rectenna converting microwaves to power.

Agemegos 01-04-2021 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Rupert (Post 2361301)
I remember a scene in one novel, where the protagonists are moving through a rectenna's 'shade' and it's being used as grazing for cows.

I have an unplaceable memory of a story in which there was a coffee plantation under a power rectenna, which with the rectenna itself concealed some sort of villainous facility from observation.

Anthony 01-04-2021 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by AlexanderHowl (Post 2361295)
The best use is vegetable and fruit crops actually.

I would avoid uses that run the risk of maintenance issues for the rectenna structure. Depending on the opacity of the rectenna, I might put a conventional solar farm under it -- there's some loss of efficiency because of light blocked by the rectenna, but you make up for it with simplifying your power grid.


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