[Spaceships] Martian “Gas” Station
This base is a refueling station for vehicles travelling to, from, on and over Mars. It was built on a frozen underground aquafer which is mined for ice to be melted (water itself is precious here) and refined into LOH fuel (for rockets and fuel cells) and pure hydrogen for use as reaction mass, lifting gas and feedstock for producing methane (also used as reaction mass). It also sells surplus food from its domed greenhouse and hydroponics bay and serves as a trading post, clinic and government center for other settlers on the red planet.
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Dalton “I'm still tweaking this so stand by” Spence |
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Deimos and Phobos are the natural sites for such a well. They have a good delta-v compared to other sources of ice (including Mars), and they may be 20% ice. Lifting gases are unlikely to matter on Mars until you get a Thin atmosphere, and you might as well use water if you are using methane. By avoiding the delta-v associated with landing on Mars, you also end up saving a lot of time and money.
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I was thinking more in terms of a "Domed Mars" type setting (Chapter 4 of GURPS Classic: Mars) as the core of a small Martian community, but the idea of a "grounded" space station on Phobos or Deimos has some merit (although I hadn't heard of them having that much ice). As for hydrogen as a lifting gas, it could be useful sooner than you think.
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Since the volumetric lifting power of hydrogen increases proportionally with the density of the atmosphere, the denser the atmosphere the better the lifting power.
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And the density of a gas at given temperature and pressure is dependent on its molecular weight. Since temperature and pressure are the same both inside and out of an unheated balloon only the difference in mean molecular weights matters when calculating lift.
Dalton “see my "Homebrew: Expanding on Gasbags" thread for details” Spence |
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That is lifting power by mass. Lifting power by volume depends on the density of the atmosphere. A cubic meter of hydrogen has a lot more lift on Earth than on Mars.
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Yes, by volume this may be true (see my quote from GURPS Mars above) but I expect hydrogen would be sold by mass, not volume. It's up to the user to have a gasbag big enough to provide the necessary lift.
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Otherwise, if you're going to Mars, go there directly and refuel after you get there. You might ship fuel to the asteroids from the moons of Mars rather than the planet itself. It'd depend on how high the start-up and manintence costs were. |
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Hard science ships can't just "stop". They have to spend Delta-V. So the efficient thing is usually to accelerate once and then decelerate once while you coast at maximum speed in between. |
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An exhausted velocity of 1 km/s is a weak drive. Assuming that the drive tosses out 3 kg/s/metric ton of mass, that would only allow an object with a dry mass of 1 metric ton and a wet mass of 2 metric tons an acceleration of 0.1 g for 1000 seconds (a delta-v of only 980 m/s).
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If M is exactly between A and B you're doing 5 million kilometers on each leg at an average velocity of 1.5 million km/s and it will take you 3,333,333 seconds on each leg or about 77 days ignoring any time you spend finding and refining. Note that these are the maximally favorable assuptions for the relative positions of A,B and M. Zig-zagging will take even longer. Spending almost 3 weeks longer and putting 50% more wear on your engines will be less efficient by most standards. |
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Okay, we are getting a little off focus here. If there was a reliable source of reaction mass, oxygen, food and water in Mars orbit incoming ships from Earth could re-provision themselves there for the return trip and reserve more room for cargo and passengers. Note that without a CO2 atmosphere there would be no methane production so that capacity on the moons would be dedicated to processing ice. A big import from Earth would probably be certain organic compounds to promote food production.
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I would note that you may want to rethink ratios of production to storage.
A basic refinery complex is 3 mining modules feeding one refinery, plus power plants capable of providing 4 energy points. At SM+10, that costs $40M for the mining modules, and $120M for fission reactors (solar power is vastly more expensive -- it starts at $200M, but because of martian sunlight and the fact that it only operates during the daytime, you actually need more than 5x as much. Note that both reactors and solar panels have options that are cheaper but heavier). It produces 150 tons per hour. 15,000 tons of fuel tanks costs $100M, so if your normal business cycle is 100 hours of business and then 10,000 hours of inactivity, you can drop down to SM+8 mining modules (total cost is $116M) and still refill your tanks in six weeks. |
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Looks like I may have to redesign the whole thing. My problem is the first step: breaking down water into hydrogen and oxygen. The result is eight tons of oxygen for every ton of hydrogen. I see this as two standard and two small tanks for oxygen, one small tank for hydrogen, a standard mining system, two small refineries (LOH, CH4), a small fission reactor (powers one refinery at a time), a regular methane tank and a regular fission reactor (powers the mine). The H2 and O2 tanks take 30 hours to fill while the methane tank takes ten.
That takes care of the bottom section. I think I'll leave the top level much the same and work on the middle one tomorrow. Dalton “Martian “Gas” Station 2.0?” Spence |
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Dalton “So let's pop this balloon and get back to my station.” Spence |
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Checking Wikipedia I see that the atmospheric pressure on Mars is about 0.00628 bar, which means that you would need an envelope 147 times as capacious to contain each ton of hydrogen gas there as you would on Earth near sea level. Envelope area and presumably mass go with the 2/3 power of volume, so about 27.8 times the weight of envelope eating into your load. I don't think airships are plausibly practical where there isn't much air.
There's a point about using hydrogen as a lifting gas that probably belongs in the previous thread. But I don't want to necromantise that, so here. There is a problem with storing and transporting hydrogen gas that, having a very small molecular mass it diffuses rather rapidly. Diffusion going inversely with the square root of molecular mass, losses of hydrogen are 40% more rapid than losses of helium. I don't know how important that would be. |
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Here version 2.1 of the "Gas" Station using RC30 to get power from my "Solar Panel Arrays" on Mars. I parked my new "Mars Rovers" (I'm still tweaking the design so I'll post it later) in the middle section hangar bay and moved my crew and "guest" quarters to the core of that section for maximum radiation protection (yes, that section is already underground but every little bit helps).
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Dalton “My setting is what it is. Deal with it.” Spence |
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Here is the Mars Rover design I promised previously. This is the general purpose version. I thought about setting up some variants but decided modularizing the cargo holds was enough. Read the internal note for details.
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