Re: Judo is a striking skill
 

As for where my "biases" come from, they come from the rules.

Judo does not mention punching, kicking, or striking in general in it's own description on p. B203.

Unarmed Combat on p. B370 divides unarmed combat skills into Striking and Grappling skills. Judo is on the Grappling list. Striking Skills are directed to the Weapons Table for stats.

Martial Arts p. 90 lists which attack type each of the six Unarmed Combat skills can be used for. Judo allows Grab, Grapple, Sweep, and Throw. Notably, it does *NOT* allow Punch, Kick, Elbow, or Knee; these latter four attacks are reserved for the three Striking Skills (the same ones listed on p. B370).

Every single Character Template that gives the option for Unarmed Combat skills offers one of the three Striking Skills and then one of the three Grappling skills, as outlined on p. B370. I know this because I've literally programmed several hundred character templates into GCA.

Under the heading Melee Weapons, p. B271, it states that weapons on the Weapons Table are grouped under the skill or skills that they can be used with. Notable here is that Punch and Teeth are *ALWAYS* used in Close Combat, because they have a Reach of C. If Judo was supposed to substitute for DX to strike in Close Combat there's *NO* reason to leave it off the list of allowable skills, because a Punch is always in Close Combat. It's omission suggests that it was never intended to be used to Punch.

The *ONLY* way you get to being able to Punch with Judo is by reading two rules on two different pages and then combine them in a way that is not explicitly mentioned.

Which is more likely, that Judo was left off of the Weapons Table on purpose, or that they accidentally forgot to mention that Judo can Punch in multiple pages across multiple books?

Re: Judo is a striking skill
 

So what?

The grappling list.

The grappling list. The grappling list.
But that doesn't change the plain meaning of words elsewhere.


Yep. At that point it's talking about skilled combat, not unskilled combat.

Did you read the post I was replying to?

Re: Judo is a striking skill
 

I don't know what you mean by "just" examples. As I have mentioned, they are examples the define the category Kromm means.


Based on that remark, I think you were right earlier when you felt our discussion was not making progress.

Cheers.

Re: Judo is a striking skill
 

Yes, the category he defines is a when a "rule explicitly lists the allowed skills." He didn't put any restriction on it beyond that; you did.

The Weapon Table entries explicitly list the allowed skills. Unless you can come up with a concrete reason to exclude them, it seems that they are "like" the examples he listed, in that they are an "explicit list of allowed skills."

Re: Judo is a striking skill
 

I've already spoken to all those points, but you don't seem to read my remarks or acknowledge their content.

So, just to let you know, I won't be reading or replying to your comments on this subject further.

Re: Judo is a striking skill
 

You don't, though. You assert that it's one way because you assert it. You have yet to provide one concrete reason why that assertion should be. You've merely asserted that it's your own belief that because Kromm quoted from one type of rule that means that he meant to exclude other types of rules.

You provide no reason why Kromm would have meant for the list to be exclusive and not inclusive of other types of listings. You merely assert that he didn't intend for it to be extrapolated and then the rest of your argument from there forward has rested on your assertion that Kromm meant something that he did not say.

That's fine. You're still wrong.

Re: Judo is a striking skill
 

Closing thread and have asked the GURPS forum mods to take a look, because it has been reported multiple times.