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Tywyll 06-14-2019 09:28 AM

Diengaging by Forcing Retreat
 
Say you are engaged to two figures and then are able to force one to retreat, normally allowing you to follow them. Are you allowed to do this if it would mean disengaging from the other attacker?

larsdangly 06-14-2019 11:26 AM

Re: Diengaging by Forcing Retreat
 
I would say no. You can decline to follow up and thereby disengage from the retreated figure, but disengaging from the non-retreated foe would basically give you a free action, which I don't imagine was the intent.

Skarg 06-14-2019 11:43 AM

Re: Diengaging by Forcing Retreat
 
Good question.

RAW yes.

I would also tend to say yes, but mainly because I am not a fan of engagement keeping figures totally stuck to each other, and it's only one hex of movement. Being able to retreat someone means whoever else you'd become disengaged from failed to hurt you last turn, and also failed to stop you ignoring them and hurting someone else that turn (so it doesn't seem to me like their engagement of you was all that compelling that turn). I like that an alternative to disengaging by doing nothing but stepping back, is to hurt someone and not get hurt.

People who really like the stuck effect of engagement might disagree (as argued above).

kjamma4 06-14-2019 11:59 AM

Re: Diengaging by Forcing Retreat
 
Which brings up a question in my mind - what happens if you take damage from two figures and do none to them?

Who gets to retreat you?

Skarg 06-14-2019 12:29 PM

Re: Diengaging by Forcing Retreat
 
The one with the highest adjDX gets to retreat you. Retreats go in order of adjDX.

Chris Rice 06-14-2019 01:30 PM

Re: Diengaging by Forcing Retreat
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kjamma4 (Post 2268936)
Which brings up a question in my mind - what happens if you take damage from two figures and do none to them?

Who gets to retreat you?

The one who hits you first, which may stop the second one being able to hit you at all.

"Nothing in Melee happens simultaneously (Melee p5)."

Chris Rice 06-14-2019 01:31 PM

Re: Diengaging by Forcing Retreat
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by larsdangly (Post 2268924)
I would say no. You can decline to follow up and thereby disengage from the retreated figure, but disengaging from the non-retreated foe would basically give you a free action, which I don't imagine was the intent.

That's my interpretation exactly.

kjamma4 06-14-2019 02:47 PM

Re: Diengaging by Forcing Retreat
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Rice (Post 2268961)
The one who hits you first, which may stop the second one being able to hit you at all.

Doesn’t the Forced Retreat phase happen after all characters attack?

How would you be able to decide if you are eligible to force a retreat (by taking no hits yourself) until all attacks have taken place?

I’m not following the sequence here...

Chris Rice 06-14-2019 03:02 PM

Re: Diengaging by Forcing Retreat
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kjamma4 (Post 2268975)
Doesn’t the Forced Retreat phase happen after all characters attack?

How would you be able to decide if you are eligible to force a retreat (by taking no hits yourself) until all attacks have taken place?

I’m not following the sequence here...


That's a good point, which I'd entirely forgotten about...

kjamma4 06-14-2019 03:07 PM

Re: Diengaging by Forcing Retreat
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Rice (Post 2268979)
That's a good point, which I'd entirely forgotten about...

Whew!

I had a good chuckle about a low DX guy getting pinballed around eight times taking one hit each time by a gang of high DX enemies until he finally was dropped!!!

Thanks.


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