Steve Jackson Games Forums

Steve Jackson Games Forums (https://forums.sjgames.com/index.php)
-   The Fantasy Trip (https://forums.sjgames.com/forumdisplay.php?f=100)
-   -   Ragnar the Viking from Melee Rulebook Example (https://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?t=163649)

Frost Giant 05-14-2019 01:55 PM

Ragnar the Viking from Melee Rulebook Example
 
Ragnar, with spear and large shield, leather armor: Shield on left arm to catch hits, spear in right hand. Ragnar has initiative. Does he DROP the shield, because he needs both hands for the spear? I think he would have to in order to ready the spear for a thrust. He doesn't have time to sling it to his back, right? After the attack with the spear can he PICK UP the shield in the same turn?
I'm liking pole arms but haven't yet used them because of this. May be I'm just confused but I don't get how this works. Any help appreciated!
Thanks!

Chris Rice 05-14-2019 02:22 PM

Re: Ragnar the Viking from Melee Rulebook Example
 
I remember Spear always had the option to be used one handed (1d6 damage) or two handed (1d6+1 damage). That's still the case in the ITL Legacy rulebook but there seems to be only the option for two handed use in my Melee PDF. I'll check my hard copy when I get the chance.

Frost Giant 05-14-2019 02:54 PM

Re: Ragnar the Viking from Melee Rulebook Example
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Rice (Post 2262873)
I remember Spear always had the option to be used one handed (1d6 damage) or two handed (1d6+1 damage). That's still the case in the ITL Legacy rulebook but there seems to be only the option for two handed use in my Melee PDF. I'll check my hard copy when I get the chance.

I'm thinking he should be able to make a one-handed-thrust, maybe at less damage, and still keep the shield ready. Haven't seen anything in print, though.

Chris Rice 05-14-2019 03:57 PM

Re: Ragnar the Viking from Melee Rulebook Example
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Frost Giant (Post 2262881)
I'm thinking he should be able to make a one-handed-thrust, maybe at less damage, and still keep the shield ready. Haven't seen anything in print, though.

Like I said, its in the ITL rulebook, so you can.

Frost Giant 05-14-2019 10:13 PM

Re: Ragnar the Viking from Melee Rulebook Example
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Rice (Post 2262889)
Like I said, its in the ITL rulebook, so you can.

You did, sorry, long day. I'll look in my book tomorrow.

Skarg 05-14-2019 10:34 PM

Re: Ragnar the Viking from Melee Rulebook Example
 
Such confusion might arise from only looking at the basic Melee weapon table, where only the two-handed use of a spear is listed. See ITL for the one-handed spear option.

(Not great for people who only have basic Melee, which is where the one-handed spear and shield counter H is from...)

Axly Suregrip 05-14-2019 11:43 PM

Re: Ragnar the Viking from Melee Rulebook Example
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Frost Giant (Post 2262867)
Ragnar, with spear and large shield, leather armor: Shield on left arm to catch hits, spear in right hand. Ragnar has initiative. Does he DROP the shield, because he needs both hands for the spear? I think he would have to in order to ready the spear for a thrust. He doesn't have time to sling it to his back, right? After the attack with the spear can he PICK UP the shield in the same turn?
I'm liking pole arms but haven't yet used them because of this. May be I'm just confused but I don't get how this works. Any help appreciated!
Thanks!

If basic Melee is the rules you are using, then the Spear is 2 handed. Ragnar would have the Large Shield slung on his back, not in his hands, so he may use the spear. Note a slung shield protects from read hexside at not DX cost.

If ITL is the rules, then either as above, or you may use the Spear as 1 handed. Thus having both spear and shield ready.

You are right, you cannot both attack and sling/ready weapons in the same turn (unless using Quick Draw talent). Attacking and changing weapons are separate actions and one will need to be chosen per turn.

have fun!

larsdangly 05-15-2019 11:25 AM

Re: Ragnar the Viking from Melee Rulebook Example
 
Yes, this is one of those little inconsistencies between Melee and ITL. Personally, i would have ironed these all out because none of them are helpful in any way, and they lead to confusion. In practice, I just use ITL as the rules source when these situations come up.

Frost Giant 05-15-2019 01:21 PM

Re: Ragnar the Viking from Melee Rulebook Example
 
Thanks guys!


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:18 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.