Kneeling and Prone
 

After reading over the rules several times I cant figure out what advantage you would gain by kneeling or being prone. I see that being prone gives you a bonus to attacking with a crossbow, but that's it. Am I missing something? Why would you use these options in a combat situation? The only thing I can think of for kneeling is to maybe pick up a weapon? Any insight would help thanks!

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Kneel behind cover: ITL 116 (+2 DX adjustment if the cover provides a crossbow brace)

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Also, sheltering behind bodies, same page.

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this might be 'old rules' (or my house rules or my imagination lol)

isnt it -4 DX to shoot at prone guys with missile weapons? (hence the WW2 passtime of hitting the deck when bullets start to fly?)

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Yeah I thought the advantage for both would be to make it more difficult to be hit from a thrown or ranged weapon but I don't see it in the rules anywhere. Maybe that can be my first house rule.

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obviously its not a great tactic for a bowman lol .. one area where xbows definitely have the advantage

AAAND its probably not gonna work great if the shooter is only 1 hex away (possibly 1 or 2 hexes away)

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The -4 DX for a missile weapons user to hit a target that is prone/concealed is listed on page 122 of the new ITL. It is under concealment. "-4 if your target is half hidden, or prone or kneeling behind a body".

-Tolenkar

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Just what I was looking for, thanks!

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Can a wizard specify three foot high for "Create Wall"?

How about Create Wall with an arrow slit and a crossbow brace?

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The former, I would think yes. It might even have a discounted cost to cast.

The latter, I would think not. Extra details, rather than just something solid, might qualify it as "Create Battlement".

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Since people are talking about kneeling and prone, there's something I'm not clear on...

What bonus does someone get if they're attacking somebody who is kneeling? If I recall correctly, the rules sorta vaguely imply it's the same as attacking someone who is prone, but it seems like a kneeling person would be at a slightly less disadvantage.

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According to the optional detailed rules where a figure can be forced to kneel by leg injuries:

How that combines with facing modifies for side/rear, though? I would say stack them but don't go over +4.

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On the subject of rules nuances around prone-ness, if a figure is knocked down in combat, and it's attacker took no hits during the turn, can the attacker force retreat the fallen figure?

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I don't think the rules say not, so technically RAW I expect so, but a GM might (or might not) rule that a fallen figure can't be retreated. I'd tend to allow it, because I think it's a way to include the possibility of getting people to fall back and down, (even though technically they fall down and then back).

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Kicking them while they're down. I like it.

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but, if that crossbowman is standing IN a doorway (vertical cover), leaning half out, he is also -2 to shoot back, and gets no "bracing" bonus.

Crossbowmen do much better (both offensively & defensively) when lying prone or supported/braced like a table, tree limb etc...