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thedanster7000 02-13-2019 10:28 AM

Holy Warrior Contingent Casting
 
The Holy Might section of the Holy Warrior says
Quote:

You may also buy all of those described for clerics – but where they mention Power Investiture, substitute Holiness.
this potentially includes the cleric's Contingency Casting ability. But the section is prefaced with
Quote:

but not spells
Can Holy Warriors buy Contingency Casting or not?

Dalin 02-13-2019 10:43 AM

Re: Holy Warrior Contingent Casting
 
I think this is an instance where the specific overrules the general. The language "all of those described for clerics" seems quite clear.

Moreover, I don't see any game balance reason why a Holy Warrior can't spend 14 points to gain a single spell per session. It doesn't even really need to be fluffed like a spell... "It's a miracle!"

I can't find an official Holy Warrior (in Delvers to Go or Pyramid) with Contingency Casting, but Sir Pudding's Gilead of Aquerigon has it and nobody squawked.

DouglasCole 02-13-2019 10:49 AM

Re: Holy Warrior Contingent Casting
 
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Originally Posted by Dalin (Post 2242892)
I think this is an instance where the specific overrules the general. The language "all of those described for clerics" seems quite clear.

Moreover, I don't see any game balance reason why a Holy Warrior can't spend 14 points to gain a single spell per session. It doesn't even really need to be fluffed like a spell... "It's a miracle!"

I can't find an official Holy Warrior (in Delvers to Go or Pyramid) with Contingency Casting, but Sir Pudding's Gilead of Aquerigon has it and nobody squawked.

I could have sworn the Holy Warrior I played in I Smell a Rat at GenCon with Sean used Contingency Casting but I could be mistaken.

Kromm 02-13-2019 10:58 AM

Re: Holy Warrior Contingent Casting
 
A holy warrior can buy Contingency Casting but not spells. This is why (to quote) "Holy warriors get especially good use out of Contingency Casting." Contingency Casting doesn't mean you get spells on your character sheet . . . it means you have the ability to produce the outcomes of spells.

ArchonShiva 02-14-2019 02:59 PM

Re: Holy Warrior Contingent Casting
 
A Holy Warrior using Contingency Casting can cast one Bless per session, which may then last weeks or months. Pretty good deal for [14].

Dalin 02-14-2019 04:40 PM

Re: Holy Warrior Contingent Casting
 
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Originally Posted by ArchonShiva (Post 2243208)
A Holy Warrior using Contingency Casting can cast one Bless per session, which may then last weeks or months. Pretty good deal for [14].

Yes, and then the cleric doesn't have to worry about carrying too many spells "On" at once. Sweet.

As GM, though, I might penalize the Contingency Casting roll for a Holy Warrior based on how many Blessings are already ongoing. This is not indicated in the advantage text, but the spell does say "your gods hold you responsible for each blessing!" so there's an argument for some sort of accountability. (Or maybe only 9 of the 10 FP recharge, so he'll be down one.)

I haven't played a Holy Warrior yet, but my Cleric hasn't managed to use Contingency Casting for any useful spells. It's usually for things that satisfy one of his disadvantages or quirks. Last night, he cast Essential Food since he's a bit of a glutton. (But he's weird; he sees the ability, not as spell casting, but as asking local spirits for a favor.)

ArchonShiva 02-15-2019 06:37 AM

Re: Holy Warrior Contingent Casting
 
The -1 per spell is pretty much unavoidable. CC gives you a skill level. Wizard’s wild talent is even clearer about it.

On the other hand, a case can be made that failure does not extend the ability for the session.

Kromm 02-15-2019 07:54 AM

Re: Holy Warrior Contingent Casting
 
Normal modifiers are meant to apply. For clerical magic, that includes spells "on," sanctity level, and (for Regular spells) distance. IQ + Power Investiture/Holiness is your base skill level.


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