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hcobb 11-02-2018 09:06 AM

Re: Greater wish flowchart
 
Under the assumption that the demon never ever appears outside of a pentagram he doesn't break himself and that hyper-intelligent wizards can't expect to make more than $350/week for 30 years then the minimum fair market cost of a greater wish is $20k. I.e. around an average magic item.

Skarg 11-02-2018 01:16 PM

Re: Greater wish flowchart
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hcobb (Post 2219792)
Under the assumption that the demon never ever appears outside of a pentagram he doesn't break himself and that hyper-intelligent wizards can't expect to make more than $350/week for 30 years then the minimum fair market cost of a greater wish is $20k. I.e. around an average magic item.

Would you like to share your reasoning?

hcobb 11-02-2018 01:37 PM

Re: Greater wish flowchart
 
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Originally Posted by Skarg (Post 2219857)
Would you like to share your reasoning?

Wizard makes $350/wk for 50 weeks for 30 years for a total of $525,000

Or he gets around 30 wishes and then gets at least knocked down 5 attributes and is knocked out of the wish generation business.

Therefore the wish is worth $17,500 of the wizard's time plus overhead.

TippetsTX 11-02-2018 01:59 PM

Re: Greater wish flowchart
 
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Originally Posted by hcobb (Post 2219862)
Therefore the wish is worth $17,500 of the wizard's time plus overhead.

I guess anything can be monetized... even wishes. Awesome!

Skarg 11-02-2018 02:23 PM

Re: Greater wish flowchart
 
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Originally Posted by hcobb (Post 2219862)
Wizard makes $350/wk for 50 weeks for 30 years for a total of $525,000

Or he gets around 30 wishes and then gets at least knocked down 5 attributes and is knocked out of the wish generation business.

Therefore the wish is worth $17,500 of the wizard's time plus overhead.

There are so many variables to how the GM might handle this.

What's the chance the same wizard will get killed by the 1500 job risk rolls?

Why would losing 5 attributes knock the wizard out of generating wishes? Why not take it on ST and keep going, and/or have stockpiled 5 wishes so he can insta-recover whatever he lost?

Why would a wizard even die from summoning wishes, if as the new ITL says, failing the will contest just means the demon attacks, but haha, it's still inside a pentagram, and the wizard is surrounded by thugs and there are guards/wizards/traps who can kill the demon easily even if it gets out of the pentagram?

Even if a wizard died, was revived, and lost 5 points of DX & IQ, and somehow didn't have access to stored industrial wishes, why wouldn't he just regain those with EP and resume industrial wish farming well before your 30-year span is up?

Or, if playing with a GM who somehow restores the risk of wish-farming, why would a wizard choose to risk it?

Yes there are many dysfunctional ways to think about it and play it, and RAW seems to be one of them unless the GM intervenes in some way, but I can see many different answers to how much a wish is worth even in RAW with an industrial-wish-supportive GM.

Celjabba 11-02-2018 02:36 PM

Re: Greater wish flowchart
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hcobb (Post 2219862)
Wizard makes $350/wk for 50 weeks for 30 years for a total of $525,000

Or he gets around 30 wishes and then gets at least knocked down 5 attributes and is knocked out of the wish generation business.

Therefore the wish is worth $17,500 of the wizard's time plus overhead.

When in doubt, an old rule of thumb for pricing an item for sale used to be 3x the highest of material cost or manpower cost to produce it.
So using your numbers, a wish should have a market price of around 50k.

hcobb 11-02-2018 02:49 PM

Re: Greater wish flowchart
 
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Originally Posted by Celjabba (Post 2219879)
When in doubt, an old rule of thumb for pricing an item for sale used to be 3x the highest of material cost or manpower cost to produce it.
So using your numbers, a wish should have a market price of around 50k.

This should really apply to all magic items. PCs can sell for the listed prices and PCs pay at least three times the listed prices, if available.


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