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Question: Taking the access to Chi/Cinematic Skills away from TBaM and still requiring Special Training for most things TBaM allows. Would this be a viable advantage for a semi-realistic game (between realistic an cinematic/not quite action movie)? If so, what would it cost 15, 20, 10?

Thanks

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I lack the martial arts knowledge to judge whether such a trait would be realistic or not. However, for price, I can say that I wouldn't limit it much at all, compared to regular Trained by a Master. GURPS in general doesn't put much weight on "serves as a prerequisite" - since you have to pay points for the things it gives access to anyway, it's not that valuable on the base trait. And the other benefits of Trained By a Master (improved parries and Rapid Strikes, and various other halved penalties for cinematic techniques and various stunts) are all still worth a lot. I'd peg "Doesn't serve as a prerequisite for cinematic skills" as a -20% limitation on Trained By A Master.

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Inability to use the Cinematic Skills covered by TBAM is the Mundane Background Disad and worth -10.

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Because of that, I'd price a "No Access to Cinematic Skills" Accessibility limitation at -10%.

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Actually, I think that Trained By a Master without the ability to learn Cinematic Skills or Perks should be -30%.

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What about the reverse? How much should an advantage cost that only gives access to chi/cinematic skills, perks and techniques, but doesn't halve penalties for rapid strikes and multiple parries?

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Only a stupid person would buy it at that price. He could just take TBAM at 30 pts and Mundane Background at -10 and use pricing of items in the Basic Set.

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In my experience, most PCs take the maximum number of disadvantages, so this would be a reshuffling of points but not a savings.

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No he can't. Or rather, he can, but it renders TBaM completely ineffective; mundane background means that your non-mundane advantages cannot be used. "You can have supernatural advantages, but you can neither use them nor learn any skills that would allow you to use them".

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Supernatural advantages are denoted by the "lightning bolt" icon. Trained By A Master shows only the icon for "Mental".

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Well, my suggestion of -20% was for only removing the cinematic skills, not all the various techniques or perks. I'd price a limitation that removed access to all of the cinematic skills stuff at -30%, and price the reverse, "Only cinematic skills/technique access" at -70%. So, 9 points, basically.

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I think that you need to forbid Cinematic Perks, Skills, and Techniques for a limitation at -30%.

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I agree with this, if you buy a disadvantage it will result in "losing CP from your budget". So, the limitation of -30% on the advantage sounds plausible.

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Unusual Background. My "default" price for Unusual Background is [10], on par with Reawakened.

Or Special Exercises perk at 1 point per cinematic advantage (or perk), or Unusual Training perk at 1 point per skill/technique.

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Such bizarre gymnastics are yet another reason why I don't use a Disad Limit.

At the moment I can not think of any other subject that has caused more photons to die in vain than "the" Disad limit. There isn't even such a thing as a default one any more.

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Or why I run games with a minimum character point value of 250 CP. I have met few people that are willing to take -125 CP of negative traits.

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Whoa, 2 pages in less than a day. Cool.

So, general consensus seems to be -30%.
-10 seems to be better if this were an advantage of its own, which I think is the way I'll go. TBaM will just include it's benefits an if (BIG if) the game goes cinematic, allow an upgrade to TBaM.

So, what to call it f a new advantage? Master's Disciple? Close Combat Expert? lol, I'm horrible with names. :-(

Thanks for the help everyone

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Unarmed Master is probably suitable. You could do the same thing with Weapon Master as well, the -30% enhancement, if you want to make people who are just very lethal with weapons.

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True, though the only thing having both would give would be the extra damage. TbaM already reduces the penalty for Rapid Strike and additional parrying with melee weapons. Though Weapon Master would allow for Thrown weapons too.

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Well, I think that most people would take one or the other instead of both. The only time I have seen that was a character who took WM (Bow), TBAM, and Heroic Archer.

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For thoughts by Christopher Rice on the subject:

http://www.ravensnpennies.com/gurps1...er-advantages/

He put it at a flat 5. No percentage, just a flat cost.

To say we have concensus on a number is premature. And If we did, it would not be 30%. 20% seems to be the middle ground here.

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Cool, thanks. Haven't seen this before. Very helpful. Looks like a lot of interesting articles.

However, given that the article puts it at -10 (not -5) for no cinematic skills an no off-limit access, 30% is just about right. 20 or 21 points for the new advantage.

Either way, thanks for all the help everyone.