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Refplace 03-04-2018 08:45 PM

Re: [Basic] Advantage of the Week (#53): Extra Head, Extra Mouth
 
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Originally Posted by Otaku (Post 2163045)
If it is, I missed it even with Control + F.

I am seeing "Biting Mastery" and "Rapid Retraction" that apply to biting (and thus could matter for Extra Mouth).

I just checked Biting Mastery is nice but not the same thing.

evileeyore 03-05-2018 01:29 AM

Re: [Basic] Advantage of the Week (#53): Extra Head, Extra Mouth
 
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Originally Posted by Refplace (Post 2163033)
Yeah its in Martial Arts and I think PowerUps Perks.

Just Martial Arts.

Kelly Pedersen 03-05-2018 07:54 AM

Re: [Basic] Advantage of the Week (#53): Extra Head, Extra Mouth
 
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Originally Posted by Otaku (Post 2163045)
If it is, I missed it even with Control + F.

You might be limiting the search a bit too much - "Born Biters" is on p. 115 of Martial Arts, bottom right of the "Teeth" box.

Refplace 03-05-2018 10:18 AM

Re: [Basic] Advantage of the Week (#53): Extra Head, Extra Mouth
 
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Originally Posted by Kelly Pedersen (Post 2163114)
You might be limiting the search a bit too much - "Born Biters" is on p. 115 of Martial Arts, bottom right of the "Teeth" box.

He doesnt have Martial Arts, not in his sig line.

Kelly Pedersen 03-05-2018 10:29 AM

Re: [Basic] Advantage of the Week (#53): Extra Head, Extra Mouth
 
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Originally Posted by Refplace (Post 2163140)
He doesnt have Martial Arts, not in his sig line.

Ah, you're right. Apologies, Otaku. I guess you were searching Power-Ups 2: Perks.

Otaku 03-05-2018 01:39 PM

Re: [Basic] Advantage of the Week (#53): Extra Head, Extra Mouth
 
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Originally Posted by Kelly Pedersen (Post 2163142)
Ah, you're right. Apologies, Otaku. I guess you were searching Power-Ups 2: Perks.

S'okay; GURPS Martial Arts is on my Wishlist, I just haven't made a lot of progress on it myself for various reasons. ^^'

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Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 2163029)
I realize that using extra mouth for pincers also requires an enhancement that the mouth doesn't have a jaw hit location.

Does it? I'm really quickly glancing at the Hit-Location stuff on p. B398, where "jaw" is part of the "Face" Hit-Location. If this is something handled in more detail in other supplements, okay: feel free to give us a page reference when you have the chance. Otherwise, I'm really not sure how to handle it; I'd go with what you say by default because that seems to be the "safe" approach, but an Extra Mouth gets wonky. I mean, your real jaw is what it is because it is on your face. An Extra Mouth on your hand, in your torso, on a tail, etc. still probably has teeth, might have a tongue, but if it is located close to your brain you've probably got an Extra Head situation.

Anthony 03-05-2018 01:44 PM

Re: [Basic] Advantage of the Week (#53): Extra Head, Extra Mouth
 
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Originally Posted by Otaku (Post 2163182)
Does it?

Jaw is a specific location in MA, and Born Biter interacts with it, so probably.

Refplace 03-05-2018 01:54 PM

Re: [Basic] Advantage of the Week (#53): Extra Head, Extra Mouth
 
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Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 2163184)
Jaw is a specific location in MA, and Born Biter interacts with it, so probably.

Yeah but for Pincers I would treat them as an arm or hand for hit location purposes. A creature like this probably has a modified hit location table anyway.

I have usually used Extra Arm with No Fine Manipulators for pincers and add claws if thy can do damage. But the Extra Mouth idea has some merit, if only because its a simpler build.

Otaku 03-05-2018 03:32 PM

Re: [Basic] Advantage of the Week (#53): Extra Head, Extra Mouth
 
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Originally Posted by Otaku (Post 2163182)
Does it?

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Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 2163184)
Jaw is a specific location in MA, and Born Biter interacts with it, so probably.

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Originally Posted by Otaku (Post 2163182)
If this is something handled in more detail in other supplements, okay: feel free to give us a page reference when you have the chance.

Okay. So when someone has a chance, a page number would be really handy.

Just to test my understanding, the idea is that both your original and any Extra Mouths are assumed to be located in a manner where being hit in the Jaw will produce certain results, so an Extra Mouth somewhere else needs an equivalent drawback or else this acts as an Enhancement.

Anthony 03-05-2018 03:43 PM

Re: [Basic] Advantage of the Week (#53): Extra Head, Extra Mouth
 
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Originally Posted by Otaku (Post 2163194)
Just to test my understanding, the idea is that both your original and any Extra Mouths are assumed to be located in a manner where being hit in the Jaw will produce certain results, so an Extra Mouth somewhere else needs an equivalent drawback or else this acts as an Enhancement.

Yes, though looking at extra mouth, which explicitly permits 'anywhere on the body', makes me uncertain. Part of the problem is born biter, which has an explicit tradeoff of making the jaw and nose easier to hit, and without that would be an advantage instead of a 0p feature.


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