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However, post 1920 (or thereabouts) face-hardened heavy plate was definitely better than RHA (especially in the case of British and German armour). By how much is open to debate, but even if you assume that US face-hardened plate was RHA equivalent (making Japanese armour a little worse), that makes British and German plate somewhere between 5% and 25% (depending on source) better, and most likely 10-15% better (the thicker the plate, the greater the advantage). So even if you count US hardened plate as RHA (DR70/inch), which would make US non-face hardened plate worse than RHA in multi-inch thick layers (which seems odd seeing as it's pretty much the definition of 'RHA'), the best WWII hardened plate would be DR80/inch or thereabouts). |
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The WWII 'cookie' or 'blockbuster' bombs used by the RAF in their strategic bombing campaigns were pure blast weapons, made with shells as light as possible. This and their large size and weight (4-12,000 pounds) meant they managed 75% filler. They were (and are) very much the exception. |
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However, it makes discussing the physics, material science and engineering much more difficult. Perhaps Hood's shortcomings could have been easily fixed at relatively little cost or perhaps enough armor for the coverage she needed would have seriously changed her performance. |
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For what it's worth, the hit that did the damage might well have only succeeded because the shell's fuse took longer to set it off than it was designed to do. Alternatively, it had an extremely lucky trajectory (and one that doesn't match the eye witness reports). Also, Bismarck was just about as vulnerable to such hits at the ranges the battle was fought - it could've been a simple coin toss that Hood lost. To make matters more interesting, it turns out that a lot of treaty and post treaty battleships had deck armour that was less protective than their designers thought (the exception being the RN battleships) because insufficient allowance was made for hits like the one that probably sank Hood - attacks to the deck were assumed to be fairly vertical, so there wasn't a lot of 'overhang' fore and aft of the magazines, so hits in the range where the magazine armour was supposedly 'immune' and the machinery armour (thinner to save weight) wasn't could actually reach the magazines. Battleship armouring was an exercise in trying to supply adequate protection on inadequate size, weight, and monetary budgets, and it was never as good as the designers would've liked. |
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Which is one of the reasons for the abysmal performance of battleships throughout the 20th century. They are probably one of the worst military investments in history (though aircraft carriers post-WWII come close). If a nation wanted to build up to a contemporary naval superpower, the best naval investments are probably drone carriers, guided missile destroyers, anti-aircraft frigates, submarine tenders, and diesel-electric submarines. A properly designed drone carrier could pack as much punch as a supercarrier while being the size of a cruiser and a submarine tender with a wetdock at the bottom could refuel and resupply diesel-electric submarines without anyone being the wiser.
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For that matter, Bismarck was running too. If the purpose of a battleship is to engage and destroy enemy combatants some people seem to have thought the day of the battleship was already over. Commerce Raiders of Unusual Size don't seem to have been such a hot idea either. |
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