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Mack_JB 10-17-2017 09:46 AM

Telegraphing results
 
Not sure if this is a thing, or if I'm reading the images wrong.

My Mk. III sits there after its attack phase, I hover the cursor, so the after-action stats for the Ogre show what's left.

The attackers now move -- before they fire, but after they have moved, if I hover my cursor over the Ogre still -- the results of the forthcoming attacks are already shown there -- i.e., my tread count has already gone down by the amount the attackers will shortly die roll and win.

GranitePenguin 10-17-2017 09:59 AM

Re: Telegraphing results
 
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Originally Posted by Mack_JB (Post 2128989)
Not sure if this is a thing, or if I'm reading the images wrong.

My Mk. III sits there after its attack phase, I hover the cursor, so the after-action stats for the Ogre show what's left.

The attackers now move -- before they fire, but after they have moved, if I hover my cursor over the Ogre still -- the results of the forthcoming attacks are already shown there -- i.e., my tread count has already gone down by the amount the attackers will shortly die roll and win.

Is it the tread count, or the movement? One thing I noticed is they track component usage dynamically in the Ogre details. For example, on your Mark III, you have not fired your MB yet. If you view your Ogre details, it will show a MB with a count of 1. After you fire it, it will now show a count of 0. It's not destroyed, just used up so you can tell you don't have it available for the rest of the turn. Is it similar to that, or is it actually showing attack resolution results?

One way to validate that is use the expanded combat log after the combat is complete to count how many treads are actually lost and compare it to the number you are seeing in your details before the attack.

Mack_JB 10-17-2017 01:30 PM

Re: Telegraphing results
 
Yep, just tried again with myself as a Mk. V attacking. If you hover after your attack phase, it shows what you have left, and that remains the same up until the PE forces end their movement phase. Then your stats suddenly drop to reflect what the PE attacks will have accomplished before they are actually made on you. This shows what weapons or treads you are about to lose, not as they are lost. Watching the dice rolls is then pointless.

Also, the final attack on the Ogre, the stats read-out that says what tank inflicted what amount of damage never appears on my machine.

GranitePenguin 10-17-2017 01:40 PM

Re: Telegraphing results
 
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Originally Posted by Mack_JB (Post 2129033)
Yep, just tried again with myself as a Mk. V attacking. If you hover after your attack phase, it shows what you have left, and that remains the same up until the PE forces end their movement phase. Then your stats suddenly drop to reflect what the PE attacks will have accomplished before they are actually made on you. This shows what weapons or treads you are about to lose, not as they are lost. Watching the dice rolls is then pointless.

Also, the final attack on the Ogre, the stats read-out that says what tank inflicted what amount of damage never appears on my machine.

Very interesting. How does it behave if you turn off the die roll animation? Does it completely skip and just show the end result? It sounds like it is looking at the current attack, then does all the legwork, then displays the attacks as a courtesy to the player.

Ulzgoroth 10-17-2017 02:40 PM

Re: Telegraphing results
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GranitePenguin (Post 2129037)
Very interesting. How does it behave if you turn off the die roll animation? Does it completely skip and just show the end result? It sounds like it is looking at the current attack, then does all the legwork, then displays the attacks as a courtesy to the player.

This might relate to how the asynchronous multiplayer works, too.

Mack_JB 10-17-2017 06:51 PM

Re: Telegraphing results
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GranitePenguin (Post 2129037)
Very interesting. How does it behave if you turn off the die roll animation? Does it completely skip and just show the end result? It sounds like it is looking at the current attack, then does all the legwork, then displays the attacks as a courtesy to the player.

Turning off the die roll animation shows the same effect of the stats dropping before the attacks -- so I'd say the 'telegraphing' is the result of the program playing the results, then showing you as an animation after the fact.

Ulzgoroth 10-18-2017 01:33 AM

Re: Telegraphing results
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mack_JB (Post 2129086)
Turning off the die roll animation shows the same effect of the stats dropping before the attacks -- so I'd say the 'telegraphing' is the result of the program playing the results, then showing you as an animation after the fact.

That's really the only order in which things can happen.

The part that's a bit odd is that it updates the displayed information before playing the animation.

AurochJake 10-18-2017 09:30 AM

Re: Telegraphing results
 
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Originally Posted by Ulzgoroth (Post 2129141)
That's really the only order in which things can happen.

The part that's a bit odd is that it updates the displayed information before playing the animation.

Is that how you're seeing things at the moment? That shouldn't be the case.

It will probably depend on which units you're attacking with though, as for example, the missile animation is shorter than most other attack animations. You shouldn't see the log update before an attack however.

Thanks

Mack_JB 10-18-2017 09:37 AM

Re: Telegraphing results
 
As I noted above, if I hover my cursor over my Ogre after the PE movement phase, but just before their attack phase, the end results of the attacks already show up in the Ogre stats (treads I will lose, weapons I will lose, etc.). I can see why it's done for animation sake, and it does tend to let you start thinking ahead on your next moves ...

sir_pudding 10-18-2017 02:35 PM

Re: Telegraphing results
 
I just had the announcement that I had destroyed the broadcast center (and therefore can get my Ogre) before the building was destroyed (in a GEV overrun so it was foregone regardless).


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