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Tallor 08-03-2016 06:35 PM

Adventure Hook: Wounded Mage
 
Long ago, during the Orc Wars, a mage named Alex "Stonewall" Anders was supporting their bretheren on the battlefield, providing impenetrable shields for the attacking forces. They were making siege on a settlement they had lost earlier in their campaign, and morale was high--they were close to pulling the noose on the High Chieftain himself, who was waiting on the walls.

In their haste, the mage forgot to shield themselves, and was hit in the heart by a stray arrow.

By sheer luck and the quick work of combat-expedient surgery, Alex the Mage survived, but a shard of the arrow had broken off and was dangerously close to their heart. Worse, it was no ordinary arrowhead, but one made from nullmetal of the deepest orc mines, where magic cannot survive.

The nullmetal shard penalized all magic on the mage, including the mage's own. Neither the magics of humans nor the blessings of clerics could remove the shard without killing them.

The once-powerful mage has been in a slump ever since, retired and unable to continue their field work due to the constant penalty on their magical powers. However, a local group of would-be mages, well-read on Alex Anders' exceptional heroism and magery, banded together as a sort of fan club, and began collecting every splinter of information regarding nonmagical trauma surgery. Although they don't have the skills themselves, they know the locations of a few artifacts and supernatural ingredients that could keep Alex stable while a master surgeon removes the nullmetal shard using traditional methods.

Now they just need a team of heroes to make the journey to collect them.

simply Nathan 08-03-2016 06:41 PM

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Okay, I am legitimately curious. Why is the singular mage referred to with plural pronouns?

Tallor 08-03-2016 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by simply Nathan (Post 2026402)
Okay, I am legitimately curious. Why is the singular mage referred to with plural pronouns?

Gender neutrality!

Anaraxes 08-03-2016 07:08 PM

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Presumably "Alex" is meant to be an ambiguous name as well.

Here, the confusion is particularly painful because there is an actual plural in the story from the very first sentence, the mages as a group. They were laying siege to a town they had lost. So thereafter, it's unclear whether the antecedent for a "they" is meant to be the mages or Alex.

DeathDaisy 08-03-2016 07:14 PM

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I really like that hook, I'll make sure to save it for later use!

and except for the second paragraph I don't think there's that much room for confusion, "they" is an established use for undefined gender singular.

simply Nathan 08-03-2016 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Tallor (Post 2026406)
Gender neutrality!

Not seeing the benefit here, actually.

evileeyore 08-04-2016 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Anaraxes (Post 2026412)
Presumably "Alex" is meant to be an ambiguous name as well.

Here, the confusion is particularly painful because there is an actual plural in the story from the very first sentence, the mages as a group. They were laying siege to a town they had lost. So thereafter, it's unclear whether the antecedent for a "they" is meant to be the mages or Alex.

"They" is a perfectly acceptable singular neutral term.

Or it was until the mid 18th century. Damned British Parliament!

simply Nathan 08-04-2016 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by evileeyore (Post 2026685)
"They" is a perfectly acceptable singular neutral term.

Or it was until the mid 18th century. Damned British Parliament!

I prefer "he" as the neutral term since it sounds nicer, personally. It always feels weird to see a single person referred to as a group IME

DeathDaisy 08-04-2016 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by simply Nathan (Post 2026686)
I prefer "he" as the neutral term since it sounds nicer, personally. It always feels weird to see a single person referred to as a group IME

"he" isn't neutral. it's been used for undefined gender during the 20th century, not neutral gender. "they" is and has been an acceptable use for undefined and neutral singular for hundreds of years, if it's nice enough for shakespeare and jane austen it's probably alright

Also, this thread isn't about grammar.

Harald387 08-04-2016 07:40 PM

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What Alex needs is to implant an electromagnet in their chest to stop the metal shard from getting closer to the heart, and then build a suit of armor enchanted with flight and sunbolt.

evileeyore 08-04-2016 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DeathDaisy (Post 2026688)
"he" isn't neutral. it's been used for undefined gender during the 20th century, not neutral gender. "they" is and has been an acceptable use for undefined and neutral singular for hundreds of years, if it's nice enough for shakespeare and jane austen it's probably alright

Check the link in my response above. You'll see it's gone back and forth, and has come again.


Quote:

Also, this thread isn't about grammar.
Drift is as drift does.

Anaraxes 08-04-2016 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Harald387 (Post 2026689)
What Alex needs is to implant an electromagnet in their chest to stop the metal shard from getting closer to the heart, and then build a suit of armor enchanted with flight and sunbolt.

No doubt the list of supernatural ingredients the PCs are going to be sent to fetch includes palladium.

Tallor 08-04-2016 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Harald387 (Post 2026689)
What Alex needs is to implant an electromagnet in their chest to stop the metal shard from getting closer to the heart, and then build a suit of armor enchanted with flight and sunbolt.

The magnet would work, but magical abilities would still work less around them due to the nullmetal's affects.

evileeyore 08-05-2016 08:31 AM

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I would just like to point out that this "magical shielding" the mage was throwing up to protect his comrades would have failed in the face of nullmetal arrows.



Unless said 'shielding' were magically created walls. In which case... they'd have been protected as well.

ericthered 08-05-2016 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Tallor (Post 2026718)
The magnet would work, but magical abilities would still work less around them due to the nullmetal's affects.

You probably have to come up with a way to at least partially neutralize the effects of the null metal -- but that's probably where the pallidium comes in.

Tallor 08-05-2016 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by evileeyore (Post 2026840)
I would just like to point out that this "magical shielding" the mage was throwing up to protect his comrades would have failed in the face of nullmetal arrows.



Unless said 'shielding' were magically created walls. In which case... they'd have been protected as well.

That first idea works even better! :D

Culture20 08-05-2016 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DeathDaisy (Post 2026415)
I really like that hook, I'll make sure to save it for later use!

and except for the second paragraph I don't think there's that much room for confusion, "they" is an established use for undefined gender singular.

The problem comes when there is a defined (and even named!) subject but the undefined gender singular "they" is still used. It's a very unusual situation except on Saturday Night Live.

DeathDaisy 08-05-2016 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Culture20 (Post 2027058)
The problem comes when there is a defined (and even named!) subject but the undefined gender singular "they" is still used. It's a very unusual situation except on Saturday Night Live.

No it doesn't and no it isn't? Alex is a defined person of undefined gender and "they" is acceptable to use by any and all standards. Why are we discussing this? Second paragraph is a bit confusing, the rest is clear and also grammatically correct. Holy moly.


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