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Rasputin 03-13-2015 03:39 PM

Re: Firsttime GM, has: plot, needs: pointers, persons and polish
 
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Originally Posted by Elbereth (Post 1879843)
I'm completely new at this, but I hope I won't come off as a complete drooling imbecile.

We're cool with that, so long as the spit stays off the books. Those hardcover books are costly.

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Originally Posted by Elbereth (Post 1879843)
I really, really, really want to make a world we can all build on and expand and discuss obscure details in, and not just a quick hack-and-slash setting. Is this even remotely possible to achieve on a first time out, or am I getting in way, way over my head?

Sure: if you leave space for it. Start with broad brush strokes before filling in details. You'll do much of the filling on the fly.

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Originally Posted by Elbereth (Post 1879843)
NPCs - I'm simply not sure how many/how detailed I should make them, and how often they should be encountered in order to make for an interesting game (not including henchmen-baddies, who are pretty much strong-but-not-too-skilled zombie-types that show up randomly) Also, I kindda suck a character creation, but one of the players rock at it - could I give him a general outline and have him make a "sketch" for me to polish off, or is it just a huge stinkin' no-no to outsource GM-duties like that?

I work from a campaign document that's well over 70,000 words long, and I have full stats for only about 25 NPCs. As a general rule, you don't need stats unless they'll need to do something with stats. And "doing something with stats" means mostly combat. You can assume all 10s for stats, a professional skill at 12, and a few background skills at 8-11 for regular folks.

I subscribe to an NPC-making technique from a Dragon Magazine from a quarter-century ago (#184): the Seven Sentence NPC. What you need to know is what the NPC does, how he looks, how he is going to act, and reasons to interact with him. For NPCs I make up on the fly, they don't even get that much: just a name, role, visual quirk, and mannerism. (I have a list with a name, race, sex, quirk, mannerism that I wrote beforehand, so when I need a hobbit man for a blacksmith, I just grab the hobbit man on the list and use the details I already have. I roll up a new set of details for the name, quirk, and mannerism for that entry after the session.) I add the rest after the session in case they interact with him again. If they interact with him again, I add a little more, and so on. And I have loads of detailed NPCs.

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Originally Posted by Elbereth (Post 1879843)
Bundles of joy - the point of the plot (at least the first leg of it) is to get from A to B without losing your toddler. A dead/kidnapped/abandoned child will result in instant mission fail and void the scenario. I'm unsure if I should construct the toddlers as NPCs or if I should treat them as priceless objects - objects would simplify the game, but NPCs would allow for more realism.

I'm more concerned that you used a four-letter word: "plot." Make problems, not solutions, and expect the unexpected. You have a good problem--the toddler being a load--but what happens if the player loses his kid? And if you have more than three players and don't coddle them, one will lose it. Having a player sit around doing nothing is unfun. Giving bonus character points to those who bring the toddlers successfully is a better idea. And let them come up with their own ways of getting them there and their own paths!

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Originally Posted by Elbereth (Post 1879843)
Oh no! It's a plot hole! - I would really like to construct some sort of plot-hole-fixer for emergencies (like the Doctor has his sonic screwdriver or the supercomputer of Agents of Shield). It doesn't have to be 100% believable, but it's obviously not at all feasible that one of the characters should have a super-computer in her pocket or suddenly sprout wings. Any thoughts/ideas/lessons learned?

Get rid of the rigid plot. It's alright to have a loose idea of what folks will do, and NPCs may have plans, but that's all they are: plans. No plan survives contact with the enemy.

More to the point, if everyone is having fun going on a tangent, enjoy the tangent instead. Don't try to steer everyone to some predetermined goal.

I've snipped your scenario notes, but it seems alright, not too tight. So you can expand upon it later, if you want. I'm not sure that you'll want an ongoing campaign with everyone playing himself or a variant self, however. The novelty wears thin fast.

Peter Knutsen 03-14-2015 05:36 AM

Re: Firsttime GM, has: plot, needs: pointers, persons and polish
 
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Originally Posted by Elbereth (Post 1879843)
- a character can carry 15kg or a child at a normal walking speed
- a well rested character can walk 25km in a day under normal conditions

The last two house rules are fundamental mistakes, since roleplaying gaming is, more than anything else, about how the characters (and note that when I write characters I mean characters. If I am saying something that applies only to player characters then I'll write it "player characters") are different from each other.

You are choosing to ignore individual differences between characters in terms of ST, HT, the Fit/Unfit spectrum, and Move, and that's a very bad idea.

Rasputin 03-14-2015 11:42 AM

Re: Firsttime GM, has: plot, needs: pointers, persons and polish
 
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Originally Posted by Peter Knutsen (Post 1880238)
The last two house rules are fundamental mistakes, since roleplaying gaming is, more than anything else, about how the characters (and note that when I write characters I mean characters. If I am saying something that applies only to player characters then I'll write it "player characters") are different from each other.

You are choosing to ignore individual differences between characters in terms of ST, HT, the Fit/Unfit spectrum, and Move, and that's a very bad idea.

And I wholly gainsay that. An RPG is about having fun, mostly by solving problems and whacking things. The weight and pace house rules are a way of saying, "Don't fret about the differences. They're not likely to be big anyways at this level. We'll just worry about the basic issues, and how you make use of the constraints to solve the problems."

Personally, I do use the full load and movement rules, but I've been dealing with GURPS for 25 years, run a game where that resource management is important, and generally like handling fiddly detail. But I'm not going to assume that everyone has to run the game my way. Especially considering that this is a starter game at a low point level (few folks are going to differ much from each other in these areas), these rules are fine.

Joe 03-14-2015 12:36 PM

Re: Firsttime GM, has: plot, needs: pointers, persons and polish
 
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Originally Posted by Peter Knutsen (Post 1880238)
The last two house rules are fundamental mistakes, since roleplaying gaming is, more than anything else, about how the characters (...) are different from each other.

You are choosing to ignore individual differences between characters in terms of ST, HT, the Fit/Unfit spectrum, and Move, and that's a very bad idea.

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Originally Posted by Rasputin (Post 1880299)
And I wholly gainsay that.

I'm with Rasputin on this - it's in no way a "fundamental mistake" to use simplified rules for travel speed and encumbrance. In fact, I think it's a great idea when running your first session. If it doesn't seem like fun to track those things, just don't track 'em.

It's true that some of the fun in RPGs can come from the differences between the characters, as Peter points out - but there's very little logic in insisting that everyone's campaigns should focus on differences at the level of travel speed and so forth. Different strokes for different folks.


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