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Gedrin 01-17-2015 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by roguebfl (Post 1860009)
That would not stand for long in the US as it would be a blatant 14th Amendment violation of Equal Protection with Direct parallels to the Montgomery Bus case.

I imagine the arguments would go along the lines of, "They can fly any time they put down their death ray. We don't let anyone else carry a death ray aboard, so they can't either." That they can't put down the death ray is where the rub is. I don't see a country that won't let people carry a bottle of soap aboard a plane allowing someone with the power to shoot tank destroying beams of plasma to fly commercial. It's also worth noting that the among the categories the 14th Amendment protects, "explode planes with your mind" isn't listed.

I figure there would be such legal battles. I'm pretty sure they'd be decided by the perception of the threat rather than any facts. That's actually how I'd designed the campaign. If the PC's did well in their adventures; get the bad guy, save lives, minimized casualties and collateral damage, the public perception of threat, and consequential impositions on their liberties, would reduce over time.

David Johnston2 01-17-2015 08:43 PM

Re: Suddenly, Supers!
 
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Originally Posted by roguebfl (Post 1860009)
That would not stand for long in the US as it would be a blatant 14th Amendment violation of Equal Protection with Direct parallels to the Montgomery Bus case.

Nope.

Traditionally, the Court finds a state classification constitutional if it has a “rational basis” to a “legitimate state purpose.”

http://public.getlegal.com/legal-inf...ection-clause/

Flyndaran 01-17-2015 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by roguebfl (Post 1860009)
That would not stand for long in the US as it would be a blatant 14th Amendment violation of Equal Protection with Direct parallels to the Montgomery Bus case.

No it isn't as public transportation is not a right, but a privilege. That's how they got away with requiring licenses for driving.

David Johnston2 01-17-2015 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Flyndaran (Post 1860020)
No it isn't as public transportation is not a right, but a privilege. That's how they got away with requiring licenses for driving.

It's more the rational basis to a legitimate purpose thing. In the modern day for example while public transportation is not a right, equal treatment unless there's a reason not to treat people equally IS a right. And thus you can't ban black people from the front of a bus because that isn't considered rational any more, but "you can't drive a bus without a license" is considered rational.

Flyndaran 01-17-2015 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by David Johnston2 (Post 1860023)
It's more the rational basis to a legitimate purpose thing. In the modern day for example while public transportation is not a right, equal treatment unless there's a reason not to treat people equally IS a right. And thus you can't ban black people from the front of a bus because that isn't considered rational any more, but "you can't drive a bus without a license" is considered rational.

Being black doesn't give someone the power to make heads explode. The issue of equal treatment is predicated on everyone being equal, for the most part.
Super powers renders that ideal impossible.

FireTigeris 01-17-2015 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Agemegos (Post 1859779)
I am confused by the construction "more less ~". Could you explain that some other way for me please?

sorry, I see that's unclear- I left out the word 'AIR of your type,'

"...the more [air of your type,] the less alien the intelligence...

the more air of your type a container holds (remember a room is not a container unless it is airtight or pressurized)

The 'less alien' the intelligence is-
(the more intelligible it can speak with the character)

If you talk to a beachball the GM as the 'beachball's CO^2 intelligence'

" Two life givers- hot life given- but given to smaller air and water bags, smaller air bags hit me..."
(that is two people blew up the beach ball and let some kids play with it... and unless this beachball is somewhere that children would be usual this is likely not useful info- but technically understandable)

-this may or may not be useful... it's the amount of record keeping a beachball does, a single balloon gives no 'normal intelligible'

A single balloon has no record of events that happen to it or around it = "Weeeeeeeee" and "BALLOOOOOOON!" are normal for a response if it responds at all.

(...notice ice cubes and candles don't give useful responses either in the other disciplines) -

However a compressed CO^2 tank (if you choose CO^2) might be able to tell you when it was filled 'according to the talkers (humans)' and how it knows it can kill 'talkers' and fire... and how just 'last sun (yesterday)' it was moved form the 'talker's water floater (fishing boat)' to here by a very 'small talker (child)' that would not have usually been able to carry it and now it's alone all 'sun (today)' unless 'that small talker (same child)' uses it to kill a fire behind a 'loud wood (door)' that's behind where my nozzle is.

[the characters just got -handed- a location of a hidden door where a child mutant/superbeing is hiding and playing with fire after dark...(plot hook)...]

(A large CO^2 tank has a record of its own effects on the world , its weight in its tank, a sense of time and an understanding of other things in general. Not that it is actually a person but That amount of CO^2 in those conditions 'recorded in a useful way' that much information.)

This is a way to get people to conciser choosing 'talk' w/o it being over powered.

vicky_molokh 01-18-2015 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 1859943)
Did you see me include 'containment camps' in my list?

'Containment' is a very big understatement for things that happened and keep happening in those places.

vicky_molokh 01-18-2015 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Gedrin (Post 1860017)
I imagine the arguments would go along the lines of, "They can fly any time they put down their death ray. We don't let anyone else carry a death ray aboard, so they can't either." That they can't put down the death ray is where the rub is. I don't see a country that won't let people carry a bottle of soap aboard a plane allowing someone with the power to shoot tank destroying beams of plasma to fly commercial. It's also worth noting that the among the categories the 14th Amendment protects, "explode planes with your mind" isn't listed.

'They can ride my bus when they put down their skin and put on a decent one' is the same level of demand as 'Cyclops can ride my bus when he gouges out his X-eyes'. It's a demand to mutilate a person or else deny the person equal rights.

Anthony 01-18-2015 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by vicky_molokh (Post 1860062)
'Containment' is a very big understatement for things that happened and keep happening in those places.

'Containment camp' was the standard euphemism used for the Japanese internment camps in WWII, and has that implication in the US (that might well be an unfamiliar usage to non-Americans).

vicky_molokh 01-18-2015 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 1860066)
'Containment camp' was the standard euphemism used for the Japanese internment camps in WWII, and has that implication in the US (that might well be an unfamiliar usage to non-Americans).

Ah. That explains it. At first I thought you were trying to say that such camps are not insane supervillain stuff. My mistake.


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