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nerdvana 10-25-2014 10:32 AM

[Basic] Skills: Flying Leap Base Attribute
 
Anyone have any insight on Flying Leap being based on IQ instead of DX?

vicky_molokh 10-25-2014 10:37 AM

Re: [Basic] Skills: Flying Leap Default
 
Flying Leap doesn't have a default.

nerdvana 10-25-2014 10:39 AM

Re: [Basic] Skills: Flying Leap Default
 
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Originally Posted by vicky_molokh (Post 1829388)
Flying Leap doesn't have a default.

Quite true. Sorry, been thinking though the "By Default" article by Douglas Cole from Pyramid #65. Correcting my original post to reflect that it is about the base attribute.

(Edit Notes: Apparently, editing the subject of the first post does not edit the title of the thread.)

roguebfl 10-25-2014 11:27 AM

Re: [Basic] Skills: Flying Leap Base Attribute
 
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Originally Posted by nerdvana (Post 1829386)
Anyone have any insight on Flying Leap being based on IQ instead of DX?

it's part of the cimmatic Chi skill set, I'm more supersized it not Will based like Power Blow rather than concerned it not DX based.

nerdvana 10-25-2014 11:29 AM

Re: [Basic] Skills: Flying Leap Base Attribute
 
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Originally Posted by roguebfl (Post 1829401)
Quote:

Originally Posted by nerdvana (Post 1829386)
Anyone have any insight on Flying Leap being based on IQ instead of DX?

it's part of the cimmatic Chi skill set, I'm more supersized it not Will based like Power Blow rather than concerned it not DX based.

That's a good point. Shifting it to Will would actually satisfy my concerns more than shifting it to DX would...

the_matrix_walker 10-25-2014 04:14 PM

Re: [Basic] Skills: Flying Leap Base Attribute
 
What you are looking for is the "Attribute Substitution" Perk

Attribute Substitution: Flying Leap Based on Foo [1]

nerdvana 10-25-2014 04:41 PM

Re: [Basic] Skills: Flying Leap Base Attribute
 
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Originally Posted by the_matrix_walker (Post 1829483)
What you are looking for is the "Attribute Substitution" Perk

Attribute Substitution: Flying Leap Based on Foo [1]

If I was a player making this choice, absolutely. As it is this is going to be GM fiat its just a change in how I'm choosing to implement the skill. But in the RAW that would be the solution, yes.

malloyd 10-25-2014 05:17 PM

Re: [Basic] Skills: Flying Leap Base Attribute
 
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Originally Posted by nerdvana (Post 1829402)
That's a good point. Shifting it to Will would actually satisfy my concerns more than shifting it to DX would...

It's one of a number of things that are in the categories they are because that's the way they were first defined for in 3e, often before the alternatives that make more sense existed in the rules - in this case there wasn't an explicit category for Will based skills (they listed and priced as Mental whether they were based on IQ or Will).

Doing it again now from scratch, I might well argue it shouldn't be a skill based on anything, but a kind of cinematic Extra Effort.

Otaku 10-25-2014 05:36 PM

Re: [Basic] Skills: Flying Leap Base Attribute
 
Not to derail the topic but... what about making it Health based? Maybe its just me and my inadequate knowledge on the subject, but it just seems like chi based skills would be a matter of health (being properly conditioned plus breathing correctly) than even Will... though Will is certainly more dramatic for Determinator characters.

roguebfl 10-25-2014 06:26 PM

Re: [Basic] Skills: Flying Leap Base Attribute
 
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Originally Posted by Otaku (Post 1829501)
Not to derail the topic but... what about making it Health based? Maybe its just me and my inadequate knowledge on the subject, but it just seems like chi based skills would be a matter of health (being properly conditioned plus breathing correctly) than even Will... though Will is certainly more dramatic for Determinator characters.

Chi effect are typically described forcing your will to alter body.
hence the mundane skills are DX and HT depending on which they are but the Chi skill is will.

Kromm 10-27-2014 02:04 PM

Re: [Basic] Skills: Flying Leap Base Attribute
 
It's an earlier-edition artifact. We realized we had left it IQ-based after the GURPS Basic Set Fourth Edition had gone to print. I'd prefer Will-based, like Power Blow, but could settle for HT-based, for reasons others have given. It isn't a big enough deal to rate as errata . . . just one of those "Huh, look at that!" things.

nerdvana 10-27-2014 02:26 PM

Re: [Basic] Skills: Flying Leap Base Attribute
 
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Originally Posted by Kromm (Post 1830083)
It's an earlier-edition artifact. We realized we had left it IQ-based after the GURPS Basic Set Fourth Edition had gone to print. I'd prefer Will-based, like Power Blow, but could settle for HT-based, for reasons others have given. It isn't a big enough deal to rate as errata . . . just one of those "Huh, look at that!" things.

Just out of curiosity, would you do the same thing with Push? (because as a Chi power I'm ruling it that way for my games.)

Kromm 10-27-2014 03:35 PM

Re: [Basic] Skills: Flying Leap Base Attribute
 
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Originally Posted by nerdvana (Post 1830090)

Just out of curiosity, would you do the same thing with Push? (because as a Chi power I'm ruling it that way for my games.)

Nope. Push is a physical attack; you use the skill to attack, and it's subject to ordinary active defenses. That definitely screams "DX."

nerdvana 10-27-2014 03:50 PM

Re: [Basic] Skills: Flying Leap Base Attribute
 
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Originally Posted by Kromm (Post 1830120)
Nope. Push is a physical attack; you use the skill to attack, and it's subject to ordinary active defenses. That definitely screams "DX."

Oh yeah, I see that it says to roll Push to hit. I was thinking that, like Flying Leap, you would roll a normal attack roll to hit and then against Push to do the Chi affect (instead of actually doing damage)... I guess that if the skill worked that way then it would be Will-based instead of DX-based?


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