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Cyrilin 08-05-2014 04:20 PM

Karate Parries and dodge penalties.
 
Question!

Since fencing parries are affected by dodge penalties such as encumberance, reeling, etc, does this apply to Karate and Judo parries as well, as those basically get their bonuses from the same source?

GodBeastX 08-05-2014 04:36 PM

Re: Karate Parries and dodge penalties.
 
I'd also like to know if reeling was intended to affect fencing to begin with? It isn't specifically listed. I know it gives a speed penalty, not sure if that counts as a dodge penalty.

Also note, this is about the Martial Arts information on Fencing Parries.

DouglasCole 08-05-2014 04:52 PM

Re: Karate Parries and dodge penalties.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyrilin (Post 1795801)
Question!

Since fencing parries are affected by dodge penalties such as encumberance, reeling, etc, does this apply to Karate and Judo parries as well, as those basically get their bonuses from the same source?

I thought Boxing was unusual because it does not take such penalties, and Karate and Judo explicitly did . . . but then . . . ah!

Martial Arts, p. 55, under the skill entry for Boxing.

"There’s rarely a reason to learn Boxing if you know
Karate. However, encumbrance penalizes attacks and parries
with Karate but not with Boxing. Karate-users who
believe that they could end up fighting unarmed while clad
in heavy armor might therefore wish to invest in Boxing as
well (but see Armor Familiarity, p. 49)."

sir_pudding 08-05-2014 04:57 PM

Re: Karate Parries and dodge penalties.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyrilin (Post 1795801)
Question!

Since fencing parries are affected by dodge penalties such as encumberance, reeling, etc, does this apply to Karate and Judo parries as well, as those basically get their bonuses from the same source?

Quote:

Originally Posted by p. B203
Because Judo relies heavily on
footwork, all Judo rolls and Judo parries
take a penalty equal to your
encumbrance level. For instance,
Heavy encumbrance would give you
-3 to hit or to parry an enemy attack
...
Because Karate relies heavily on
footwork...

Being at less than 1/3 HP only affects Dodge, AFAIK. Can you give me a page reference for it affecting mobile parries? Or do you mean something else by "reeling"? I can't find it used in another context.

Cyrilin 08-05-2014 05:02 PM

Re: Karate Parries and dodge penalties.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sir_pudding (Post 1795829)
Being at less than 1/3 HP only affects Dodge, AFAIK. Can you give me a page reference for it affecting mobile parries? Or do you mean something else by "reeling"? I can't find it used in another context.

Quote:

Since a fencing parry is actually a rapid
parry-and-dodge, factors that limit Dodge ought to affect
Parry
Martial Arts 122 seems to imply that reeling would affect parry dodges.

GodBeastX 08-05-2014 05:03 PM

Re: Karate Parries and dodge penalties.
 
It affects speed, which by reducing speed reduces your dodge calculation.

Reeling:

Quote:

Halve your Basic Speed and Move (round up), which also reduces your Dodge.
It's not a dodge penalty, by having less speed (6 going down to 3) you only get 3 + 3 (+ other modifiers) to dodge now instead of 3 + 6 + *.

In my opinion, if someone with 3 speed to begin with isn't getting reduced karate from it, why should a person who is normally 6 speed and gets reduced to 3 have a penalty to their Karate?

sir_pudding 08-05-2014 05:28 PM

Re: Karate Parries and dodge penalties.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyrilin (Post 1795833)
Martial Arts 122 seems to imply that reeling would affect parry dodges.

This?
Quote:

Originally Posted by Martial Arts p 122
Dodge penalties from maneuvers, techniques,
and other combat options should also affect fencing
parries (but not vice versa).

Being at less than 1/3 HP isn't a "maneuver, technique, or other combat option". It also isn't a penalty. It halves dodge, treating it as penalty to mobile parries would be difficult (though not impossible) to implement. It's a reasonable house rule, but I don't think that it's actually the intent of RAW. I've certainly never imposed it.

GodBeastX 08-05-2014 05:56 PM

Re: Karate Parries and dodge penalties.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sir_pudding (Post 1795843)
It halves dodge, treating it as penalty to...

Halves speed, which lowers dodge as expected. Just clarifying that like I said above.

sir_pudding 08-05-2014 06:00 PM

Re: Karate Parries and dodge penalties.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GodBeastX (Post 1795855)
Halves speed, which lowers dodge as expected. Just clarifying that like I said above.

No. This is one of those places where a rule summary seems to contradict the actual rule elsewhere.

The full rule is:
Quote:

Originally Posted by B419
You are reeling from your wounds. Halve your Move and Dodge (round up).


GodBeastX 08-05-2014 06:02 PM

Re: Karate Parries and dodge penalties.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sir_pudding (Post 1795858)
No. This is one of those places where a rule summary seems to contradict the actual rule elsewhere.

The full rule is:

That doesn't even talk about halving speed... what the...

Edit: This is under effects of injury B.380. This one seems to be right to me, but then again, they do contradict each other.

Quote:

• If you have less than 1/3 of your HP remaining, you are reeling from your wounds. Halve your Basic Speed and Move (round up), which also reduces your Dodge.


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