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Moldon 03-08-2014 01:46 PM

Rune Giant (Pathfinder)
 
1. It get +3 "against anyone with no Big items"
does it bonus stack, if both main player and helper have no Big item? (I think not, but it is unusual wording)

2. In its Bad Stuff I must roll a die and discard items on 1-3. If I have Chicken on my head and roll 0 (zero) is my item safe? (or it must be errated like 3,872 Orcs?)

Clipper 03-09-2014 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Moldon (Post 1734885)
1. It get +3 "against anyone with no Big items"
does it bonus stack, if both main player and helper have no Big item? (I think not, but it is unusual wording)

No. Like other bonuses (+4 against Elves for example,) the bonus only counts once if either player involved has no Big Items.

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2. In its Bad Stuff I must roll a die and discard items on 1-3. If I have Chicken on my head and roll 0 (zero) is my item safe? (or it must be errated like 3,872 Orcs?)
It's not an errata, but it has been stated officially that when a card doesn't cover the particular number you rolled, but is clearly using a range, that you treat zeros and lower as 1; and 7s and higher as 6.

Moldon 03-09-2014 09:19 AM

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Clipper, do you have proof?

MunchkinMan 03-09-2014 10:17 AM

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Andrew said as much. I'm not looking for any particular post right now since I'm heading out the door. For now, take it on my official say-so that Clipper is correct until such time as Andrew weighs in, or Clipper hunts down proof.

TheDruidBear 03-12-2014 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MunchkinMan (Post 1735117)
Andrew said as much. I'm not looking for any particular post right now since I'm heading out the door. For now, take it on my official say-so that Clipper is correct until such time as Andrew weighs in, or Clipper hunts down proof.

While I am not Andrew, I am a MIB and I remember discussions about this very thing. I do not have final word either, that comes from the Czar himself, but from the conversations and what I read in the FAQ, Bonuses (and penalties) DO stack.

This can be found in the FAQ of Munchkin.
Q. Do combat bonuses that monsters receive against Races or Classes stack? For example, if a monster gets +4 against Dwarves and +4 against Elves and I'm a half-Dwarf/half-Elf, does that monster get +8 in combat against me?
A. Unless it says otherwise on the card itself, monster combat bonuses do stack. This means that the above monster would be a +8. (Fair warning: this is a change from previous discussions, but it IS the official ruling henceforth.)
So that being said, it has been used in many of our games to prevent certain helpers from joining in (who wants to get help from a level 9 Elf anyway).

Jim

Devin Lewis 03-12-2014 12:24 PM

Re: Rune Giant (Pathfinder)
 
That's if a monster has separate bonuses. In the FAQ example, two elves don't make it +8.

MunchkinMan 03-12-2014 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDruidBear (Post 1736298)
While I am not Andrew, I am a MIB and I remember discussions about this very thing. I do not have final word either, that comes from the Czar himself, but from the conversations and what I read in the FAQ, Bonuses (and penalties) DO stack.

Actually, the rules say (and have always said):
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Originally Posted by The Rules
If you are facing the Drooling Slime and an Elf helps you, the monster’s combat strength is increased by 4 (unless you, too, are an Elf and the monster’s combat strength has already been increased).

For the record, I'm also a MIB, but beyond that, I actually give out official responses for Munchkin as the Munchkin NetRep. So, I'm saying this officially: You're incorrect, for exactly the reason already given by Devin, who also gives official responses for Munchkin as Andrew's Hireling, and as documented in the rules.

Devin's and my status are documented in the thread entitled "READ THIS FIRST!" in this very forum, in case you were wondering.

TheDruidBear 03-12-2014 01:16 PM

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I stand corrected and will adjust our play accordingly.

Thanks,

Jim

MunchkinMan 03-12-2014 01:32 PM

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And, to be clear and certain, the rules have always said that, so this is not a case where we used to do it one way, and now we do it another. Which, of course, has happened. Just not this time.

Moldon 03-15-2014 02:43 AM

Re: Rune Giant (Pathfinder)
 
My question arose because usually we are talking about that the player have (Race, Klasse еtc), and here it is about what the player have not.

usually it is: get bonus once if any fighter have it

here I can see three variants:
1. get bonus once if any fighter (one or both) have no Big Item
2. get bonus once if there is no Big Item in battle (only if both fighter have no Big Item)
3. get bonus against each who have no Big Item (questionably)

Brf 03-15-2014 09:00 AM

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I see your confusion.
Does the monster get its +3 bonus if either of the munchkins has no big item?
In other words, one of them has a big item, but the other does not.
The wording would suggest that it does, since the one munchkin satisfies the condition that it has no big item.

Andrew Hackard 03-15-2014 09:38 AM

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If at least one munchkin in the fight lacks a Big item, the Rune Giant gets +3. The bonus does not stack if both lack a Big item.

Andrew Hackard 09-16-2014 10:13 AM

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UPDATE: The Rune Giant reads "+3 against anyone with no Big items." So I'm reversing the previous ruling to this extent: if two munchkins are fighting it and neither one has a Big item, the Rune Giant is at +6. It's not a case where it's just "+3 against Elves"; the wording here is more specific than that.

Bampop 09-16-2014 05:35 PM

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Similarly, (and you can move this from 101 if need be,) does the Kevinator from the Guild booster (+5 against Everyone) get another bonus against a helper?

Andrew Hackard 09-16-2014 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bampop (Post 1814621)
Similarly, (and you can move this from 101 if need be,) does the Kevinator from the Guild booster (+5 against Everyone) get another bonus against a helper?

No, because "everyone" isn't synonymous with "anyone." Kevinator gets a flat +5 bonus.

malloyd 09-16-2014 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Hackard (Post 1814628)
No, because "everyone" isn't synonymous with "anyone." Kevinator gets a flat +5 bonus.

I'd argue the grammar on that the other way around myself. Add back the spaces - against any one gives you a bonus against one person, against every one would be a separate bonus against each of however many there were.

Andrew Hackard 09-17-2014 06:12 AM

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We are now well outside the original question, which means we've left the 101 sphere. The ruling stands.


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