Crab bad stuff
 

Last night when I was playing I was the Witch class from the Pathfinder expansion. Another player had armor on, as well as the kneepads of allure. I used the witch's hex ability to inflict the "bad stuff" from Crabs, which states that they lose their armor as well as any items worn below the waist. This started a debate that the kneepads being slotless are in fact not worn, but simply carried with you and can still function. I believe that they are very obviously worn/equip and that the "bad stuff" from Crabs would cause them to be discarded.

As a follow up, this would imply that if someone managed to wear all of these things, that the crabs could simultaneously get rid of: Armor, footwear, kneepads of allure, codpieces, pantyhose of giant's strength, spiky knees, and any other manor of slotless belts or whatever that would obviously need to be worn below the waist, correct?

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They would lose the Kneepads -- in fact, the Kneepads and the Spiky Knees are why the Crabs have the Bad Stuff they do.

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Thank you, this pleases me.

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How about the foot mounted mace? Technically that is "worn below the waist" as well.

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Yes, that counts.

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a. If a player is carrying (but not using) an Armor, do they have to lose it as per Crabs bad stuff?
b. If a player is carrying (but not using) any Item that should be worn below the waist, do they have to lose it as per Crabs bad stuff?

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That would depend on whether the crab cards says lose your armor... or lose the armor you are wearing. If it doesn't say wearing, you lose any of the items you have but not using. If it says wearing, you would not lose the items you are not actively using.

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The card says to "[d]iscard armor," so anyone suffering the Bad Stuff of Crabs would discard all the armor he is carrying. If you need to justify this in some way, assume that it means the little buggers get into all of the Armor one is carrying (used or not) and make it unusable.

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Question Muchkinman, by that logic anytime you get hit with a lose X card, then all of the X you have gets discarded, even if you are not wearing it? That seems a bit much.

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Taken in a vacuum, maybe. However, there are some qualifiers on some Curses and other cards which force you to lose Items. Since your question has been asked often enough, it made its way into the FAQ, so I'll let the answer there explain the qualifiers:

Obviously, you can replace "Armor" with just about any other type of Item, and though this mentions Curses, it also applies to other cards which tell you to "lose" Items (usually in Bad Stuff). Since we're talking about Curses and Bad Stuff, not Mild Maledictions and Slight Inconveniences, sometimes they can be more than a little disabling, and that's okay.

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Thank you good sir