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Spooky. Interesting concept, this.

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This recently discovered Q-6 world seems to have divereged in the early 1700's. There was a gentle steady warming from that period onwards and a surprisingly rapid rise in world sea levels. The local year is now 1937 sea level stabilised, about fourty years ago, at 60 meters higher than on most Earths. There was a mass migration to the USA from much of Western Europe. The British Monarchy relocated to Halifax and then to Toronto.

Many areas of Europe are in fact more inhabitable than before the sea level rise, but the migration seems to have been as much about apocolyptic fears as anything else. Russia and Germany vie for dominance of Europe the Anglo-Canadian Imperium seeks to rule the seas and Asia. The Japanese Empire casts hungry eyes at Australia, which is far greener and more fertile in this world than in most Earths.

The Anglo-Canadian seems to be trying to get Russia and Germany into a war that will be bad for both the Czar and the Kaiser. France and America are pushing for peace. Meanwhile the Anglo-Canadians seem to be ploting a consolidation of North America, Victoria II has several times stated that she wished she could undo the mistakes of George III and the treason's of George Washington.

Basically an alternate Game of Shodows plus the Canadians (who never get to be powerful villains) get the fun of being the evil empire. Please, remember villains aren't modest and self-effacing. Go over the top! Have fun Canada!

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This is actually a really solid reality seed. I like it. A few notes:

China is going to have some interesting changes: the historical capital in the north is completely flooded. The Qing have just taken over, and their home lands are on opposite side of the disaster area. This will either really boost chineese oceanic shipping activity, facilitate a rebellion against the Qing (who have much longer supply lines now)

You need Russia and France, not Russia and Germany. Or if you use Germany, use the Austrians instead of the Prussians (who lost almost everything). Not to mention Germany the nation didn't really exist until 1871. France should really prosper here. In the 1700's, France owned a large chunk of the Americas. With more aggressive European settlement, Louisianna may become its own prosperous holding. Oh, and France isn't loosing huge portions of land, so the power base is intact.

Once again aiding France, the British conquest of India has been thwarted. The East India Company was part of a coup that gave it control of Bengal, and they conquered the rest of India mostly with local manpower. Bengal is completely under water here, and France was close in the running for being the power that controlled India.

Were are we going to put the Dutch? (who loose everything and quickly). do they maintain control of Indonesia? Do they emigrate en mass to South Africa much as the English go to Canada?

I love these questions -- this really rearranges the map, but in a way that still is an echo of what we know.

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Oh, I wouldn't be so sure of the "modest and self-effacing" description ... Time to consult one of the more accessable introductions to Canadian (and world) history on the web: Hark, a vagrant

• The differences between the first leaders of the USA and Canada: http://www.harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=151
• We have our share of annoying war heroes: http://www.harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=206
• How we treat patriots: http://www.harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=257

No, wait ...

• This actually happened during our equivalent of the Civil War (yes, we had one - sort of): http://www.harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=139
• Of course, being modest and self-effacing is a survival trait: http://www.harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=166

So all we have to do for this alternate is play up the first batch of links and downplay the second batch...

(And this would have played out very differently: http://www.harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=364 )

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Unless the rising sea levels sparks the Franco-Prussian War early, then Germany would exist. Note that Alsace-Lorraine is likely still in German hands as WWI and WWII may well not have happened, or if they did, very differently.

Such aggressive European migration to may well trigger what the US calls the French and Indian War early as well, putting French claims in America in British hands.

Both of the above may well have happened at once, which explains why France lost both wars and why the British Empire didn't fall apart. Note that west of the Appalachian Mountains instead of RL US States there would be one or more Anglo-Indian Nations, don't know how far west this would extend before the British Empire would develop into another political arrangement.

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Basically, it's the Canadian Empire in this timeline, whatever label it uses, and it probably dominates North America. Assuming that the sea level rise is somewhat linear, you've probably more or less lost London (and New York) before the American Revolution has a chance to develop (no Thames Flood Barrier, so a 15-20m rise makes the place a pond every really high tide), so unless the monarchy faffed about in the Pennines or Wales or the Scottish Highlands for a few decades before transferring, there will be a lot of reason to fight any such revolution to the finish. Though once the monarchy moves across the pond, the Americans will feel like a part of the core of the Empire, not neglected colonials; Washington becomes the timeline's equivalent of Wellington, not a revolutionary.

Though if Britain managed to snag India on schedule despite the transformations, there's be a certain temptation to go there instead. Except for the heat, and the horrors of mass starvation and desperate migration in the Indian coastal regions.

You make that sound irrational. You've just wiped out south-east England, Holland, and a lot of major ports. Heck, you've turned most of England into a malarial swamp, and flooded the lower Rhine Valley. (Cologne becomes a seaport, then floods.) The adjustment process is going to be apocalyptic, and the population base is going to be much lower at the end.

Bremen, Hamburg, and Berlin are gone. Hanover is a seaport. The rise of Prussia is aborted. Unless Saxony becomes a maritime-based superpower, there's probably nobody to stop an expansionist Russia east of the Alps.

Oh, and it looks like the Pope will spend much of his time blessing the Tiber dyke-builders.

Shame about the thin soils; you flooded the one good bit. (On the plus side, the Great Interior Sea actually exists on this timeline.) Plus, the Japanese have to get past the pirate-lords of what's left of the Philippines and Indonesia on the way.

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http://flood.firetree.net/ can give you a 60m sea level rise these days, overlaid on Google Maps. Have fun. :-)

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The sea-level rise wasn't linear. It mainly happened between 1800 and 1897, but there were slight increases noticed by the 1780's. Canada and Austrilia are more fertile in this world (which doesn't seem all that much like the predicted gobal weather patterns for a warmer Homeline).

The Monarchy first moved to Winchester and then to Halifax.

Britain has India in this world, and there are those suggesting the Monarch could/should move there. Note: Indians, Native Americans, and other Non-Whites, are more effectively integrated into both Anglo-Canadian and US society in this world than in Homeline at the same period. How this happened is unknown. But Victoria II is married to a Maharaja! The next king will be Arthur Rama the first.

It's irrational only to the extent that Europe isn't going to be wiped off the map.

Good insights. But a renewed and transformed Holy Roman Empire might do the same as a Kaiserreich.

Oh well a few good volcanic erruptions should provide fertiliser. ;-)

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The loss of Florida makes the South a different place in the US Civil War. I can't imagine how it would change that war, but I suppose the South might have lost less industry than the North, balancing the war. Additionally, a warmer north could have focused more on agriculture and would have developed less industry in the first place.

Regardless, the discovery of gold in California would have changed. The Californian Sea would be hazardous (it's probably still clogged with snags and debris, let alone submerged structures), and the state's capital would be San Fransisco (probably regardless of who owns it). It was the last time Sacramento flooded...

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Was it geographically linear? That is, it rose globally a common amount in all places?