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Jerander 09-19-2013 08:36 AM

[Powers] Using Affliction (Skill -1) for Passive Defense?
 
Hi,

Every once in a while someone asks how to do Passive Defense in 4e. The usual response is "All Enhanced Defenses added together." But what about using Affliction (Disadvantage, Skill -1 [-4]) instead? Would that work?

My initial thoughts are that it would need Time-Spanning, Past-Only and Reflexive. Plus it would need some way to cover *all* attack skills. Is there something about that in Power-Ups?

Any other thoughts?

Thank you,
Jerander.

Nereidalbel 09-19-2013 09:48 AM

Re: [Powers] Using Affliction (Skill -1) for Passive Defense?
 
The only way to ensure you get a blanket -1 to all attack skills is to hit them with -1 DX and -1 IQ.

David Johnston2 09-19-2013 11:11 AM

Re: [Powers] Using Affliction (Skill -1) for Passive Defense?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerander (Post 1647698)
Hi,

Every once in a while someone asks how to do Passive Defense in 4e. The usual response is "All Enhanced Defenses added together." But what about using Affliction (Disadvantage, Skill -1 [-4]) instead? Would that work?
=.


You can't afflict skills. You can afflict Dexterity.

munin 09-19-2013 12:01 PM

Re: [Powers] Using Affliction (Skill -1) for Passive Defense?
 
Obscure (Anti-Targeting*, -20%; Defensive, +50%) [2.6/level] will penalize all attacks that use the affected sense by -1 per level, with no resistance allowed, like a blur effect.

Given the rules for hitting invisible foes, I think it maxes out at -6.


* GURPS Psionic Powers, p. 16. Obscure already affects attacks, this just limits the effect to attacks.

Anaraxes 09-19-2013 12:05 PM

Re: [Powers] Using Affliction (Skill -1) for Passive Defense?
 
To match PD / Enhanced Defense, you would have to Afflict not one attacker, but all attackers. If ranged weapons are involved, it'd be a huge AE.

JCurwen3 09-19-2013 12:11 PM

Re: [Powers] Using Affliction (Skill -1) for Passive Defense?
 
I suppose you could try to build something that penalized your opponents' attack rolls.

But that wouldn't be emulating PD, since PD was a bonus to the defender's active defenses, not a penalty to the attackers' attack rolls.

Jerander 09-26-2013 09:06 AM

Re: [Powers] Using Affliction (Skill -1) for Passive Defense?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JCurwen3 (Post 1647782)
I suppose you could try to build something that penalized your opponents' attack rolls.

But that wouldn't be emulating PD, since PD was a bonus to the defender's active defenses, not a penalty to the attackers' attack rolls.

Good point.

Does the Total Enhanced Defenses method offer protection against attacks you can't defend against?

Nereidalbel 09-26-2013 09:13 AM

Re: [Powers] Using Affliction (Skill -1) for Passive Defense?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerander (Post 1651108)
Good point.

Does the Total Enhanced Defenses method offer protection against attacks you can't defend against?

Only if you add a Cosmic effect to them.

Jerander 09-26-2013 10:30 AM

Re: [Powers] Using Affliction (Skill -1) for Passive Defense?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerander (Post 1651108)
Good point.

Does the Total Enhanced Defenses method offer protection against attacks you can't defend against?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nereidalbel (Post 1651110)
Only if you add a Cosmic effect to them.

Just to be clear, what I meant was that (if I remember correctly) PD used to allow a person a roll even if they didn't Dodge, Block, or Parry. It'd only be against the 1-6 they had in PD, but that's still better than nothing. Does Total Enhanced Defenses allow that roll?

Nereidalbel 09-26-2013 10:41 AM

Re: [Powers] Using Affliction (Skill -1) for Passive Defense?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerander (Post 1651128)
Just to be clear, what I meant was that (if I remember correctly) PD used to allow a person a roll even if they didn't Dodge, Block, or Parry. It'd only be against the 1-6 they had in PD, but that's still better than nothing. Does Total Enhanced Defenses allow that roll?

Unless you place a 50% Cosmic to allow it, no.


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